Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:20 am
sally cinnamon wrote:
One of the problems I have with the hard left is they jump on to causes and pick sides without applying critical thinking.
You see it with Israel and Palestine. It's seen in black and white: Israel = bad, so someone fighting against them = good. Similarly, US corporations = bad, so if there's a left wing populist ruler somewhere in South America who is standing up against them, they are seen as good. In the 1980s, the Irish republican cause attracted a lot of the hard left. British imperialism = bad, so the IRA 'volunteers' fighting against them = good.
Corbyn and some of his supporters have history of 'picking sides' and aligning themselves with / turning a blind eye to the criminal actions of people on 'their side'.
Now there is some hypocrisy in the right wing media about the way they react to similar questionable choices by their own leaders. Look at Donald Trump and his love-fest with Chairman Kim of North Korea. Can you imagine if Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders had been saying 'we need to open a dialogue with Kim', it would have been seen as the ultimate proof of leftie derangement, thinking you could engage with him. But they hailed Trump as some kind of diplomatic genius when he went over fawning over Kim like Denis Rodman had done.
Similarly we had all that stuff about Corbyn's links with Moscow spies and whatever, but it's the Conservatives who are getting donations from shadowy sources in Russia and Boris hanging round Putin's oligarchs and it was Boris' government that surpressed the report into Russian involvement in UK politics. Dodgy af...
I was by no means a fan of Theresa May but one area where I trusted her far more than Boris was national security. Boris I suspect has a cavalier attitude to taking money/support from shadowy sources in states that don't have Britain's best interests at heart, if he thinks it can benefit his personal advancement. Trump is the same in the US.
So whilst I think Corbyn and the hard left are naive in some of their alliances and I would have some concerns about national security if they came in to power, I have more concerns about the likes of Boris and Trump who are in power and whose vanity makes them Trojan horses for hostile states.
You see it with Israel and Palestine. It's seen in black and white: Israel = bad, so someone fighting against them = good. Similarly, US corporations = bad, so if there's a left wing populist ruler somewhere in South America who is standing up against them, they are seen as good. In the 1980s, the Irish republican cause attracted a lot of the hard left. British imperialism = bad, so the IRA 'volunteers' fighting against them = good.
Corbyn and some of his supporters have history of 'picking sides' and aligning themselves with / turning a blind eye to the criminal actions of people on 'their side'.
Now there is some hypocrisy in the right wing media about the way they react to similar questionable choices by their own leaders. Look at Donald Trump and his love-fest with Chairman Kim of North Korea. Can you imagine if Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders had been saying 'we need to open a dialogue with Kim', it would have been seen as the ultimate proof of leftie derangement, thinking you could engage with him. But they hailed Trump as some kind of diplomatic genius when he went over fawning over Kim like Denis Rodman had done.
Similarly we had all that stuff about Corbyn's links with Moscow spies and whatever, but it's the Conservatives who are getting donations from shadowy sources in Russia and Boris hanging round Putin's oligarchs and it was Boris' government that surpressed the report into Russian involvement in UK politics. Dodgy af...
I was by no means a fan of Theresa May but one area where I trusted her far more than Boris was national security. Boris I suspect has a cavalier attitude to taking money/support from shadowy sources in states that don't have Britain's best interests at heart, if he thinks it can benefit his personal advancement. Trump is the same in the US.
So whilst I think Corbyn and the hard left are naive in some of their alliances and I would have some concerns about national security if they came in to power, I have more concerns about the likes of Boris and Trump who are in power and whose vanity makes them Trojan horses for hostile states.
Not that much to argue with the
As say, Corbyn imparticular had this almost obsession of aligning himself with what he believed were the good guys, which also happened to mean his own Country were the bad guys, especially in his eyes. Then again he was the bloke that not only opposed the Kosovo campaign, but denied that Milosevic had committed war crimes. Speaks annually at the Connolly/Sands commemoration in London to honor dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA 'prisoners of war'. I could go on but long story short, he's spent his career being a serial opposer, it's what he was known for in the Labout Party and what got him nearly kicked out on a number of occasions and tbh as someone who remembers him and had relatives who detested him back then, so much has stuck with me.
Anyway I tap out I'm done on politics and we've gone a bit off topic in a way.
Anyway how about that RL stuff, can't wait for it to start
