Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:50 am  

I think the pressure in on Sio at the moment. That is a healthy position to be in!

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:17 am  

I would imagine as the season goes on injuries may dictate who plays where and we could end up with all 3 on the field together.

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:45 am  

ScrummingJumper wrote: Howarth in the halves? Not sure if this is a wind up similar to your annakin in the centres line I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it

ScrummingJumper wrote: Howarth in the halves? Not sure if this is a wind up similar to your annakin in the centres line I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:08 am  

vastman wrote: I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it Howarth never played stand off for us during his first spell, he appeared pretty much exclusively at loose forward. In fact he hasn't (other than maybe a mid-game fill in due to injury) played at stand off for any of his clubs in superleague. He played a little there at junior level for Wigan i believe but moved to the back of the pack where his lack of speed was less noticable. This is not to say he couldn't probably do the job just as well as the rather clueless Miller but for me his best position is at dummy half where he has a good eye for a gap close to the line and his good defensive qualities in the middle of the park make us tough to break down there. He has been good so far so why change that, him and Moore rotating for me would be the best option. As for stand off, if Miller doesn't come good soon and we need a change then i would be tempted to try Tansey there alongside Finn. He has a good support game and has enough pace which will offset Finns downfall in that department and has played plenty of first team rugby there, albeit not for a while i grant you. I personally don't rate Miller in the halves, for me some of the better rugby he played last year was when he switched to fullback where the extra space seemed to suit him, sadly he seems like a headless chicken at times at stand off. So by way of a change leave Finn to be the organiser and Tansey as the support act and see if it works better.

vastman wrote: I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it Howarth never played stand off for us during his first spell, he appeared pretty much exclusively at loose forward. In fact he hasn't (other than maybe a mid-game fill in due to injury) played at stand off for any of his clubs in superleague. He played a little there at junior level for Wigan i believe but moved to the back of the pack where his lack of speed was less noticable. This is not to say he couldn't probably do the job just as well as the rather clueless Miller but for me his best position is at dummy half where he has a good eye for a gap close to the line and his good defensive qualities in the middle of the park make us tough to break down there. He has been good so far so why change that, him and Moore rotating for me would be the best option. As for stand off, if Miller doesn't come good soon and we need a change then i would be tempted to try Tansey there alongside Finn. He has a good support game and has enough pace which will offset Finns downfall in that department and has played plenty of first team rugby there, albeit not for a while i grant you. I personally don't rate Miller in the halves, for me some of the better rugby he played last year was when he switched to fullback where the extra space seemed to suit him, sadly he seems like a headless chicken at times at stand off. So by way of a change leave Finn to be the organiser and Tansey as the support act and see if it works better.

[PopTart]

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:30 am  

Tansey has proved in pre-season he is not a half back.

I'm happy to progress with Miller. He has done a great job in defence in both organising, sweeping up and one on one tackling.
He had a few runs against Rovers but just couldn't get the space. It will come on the dryer grounds and when our forwards get quick play the ball.
He should stay.

Hall in my opinion has skills, but we would be adding a weak tackler in to the team when we have only just sorted that out.

Howarth I don't mind as cover at SO. I'd rather put him with Miller though so we don't have two slow half backs but I don't think Vasty is wrong. Howarth has the skills, just not the speed.

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:21 pm  

vastman wrote: I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it I can't work out if you are the most arrogant, ignorant man on these boards! If anyone doesn't take on board your almighty rugby knowledge then you are straight on the offensive. I take into account your link but I also take into account that I have eyes, have seen him play and like many others who must also be thick and ignorant can not believe for a moment Stuart Howarth is a super league level half. As it will be impossible to have any sort of reasonable debate with you as you obviously know much much more than me regarding the subject I'll sit back and keep my opinions to myself. God forbid anyone have a differing opinion to yourself on a forum.

vastman wrote: I can't work out whether people like you are thick or ignorant or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Howarth Has played many games at S/O and a lot of them were when he was with us in his first stint. Now I'm not suggesting he's the best in SL but then none of our players have that tag do they. However within the confines of Trinity's limited squad he's a chuffing magician. No similarity with Anakin at all as in this case S/O is hone of this versatile players normal positions. Talk about a ludite pre-concieved mentality. Another post states he's slow - is he? Seems to find the try line quick enough. Miller is quick and accodring to people like you, and I have to laugh (based on current form), a half back - if he is a H/B then Anakin is Greg Inglis. It's speed of thought not speed of leg that counts and many a good S/O has not been especially quick in that department. The games moved on mate in case you have not noticed and the difference between a decent No9 and a decent S/O or S/H is what exactly? They are pretty much the same except that the No9 tackles more and if anything is a bit more important to the way the team plays. So no it's hardly a wind up is it I can't work out if you are the most arrogant, ignorant man on these boards! If anyone doesn't take on board your almighty rugby knowledge then you are straight on the offensive. I take into account your link but I also take into account that I have eyes, have seen him play and like many others who must also be thick and ignorant can not believe for a moment Stuart Howarth is a super league level half. As it will be impossible to have any sort of reasonable debate with you as you obviously know much much more than me regarding the subject I'll sit back and keep my opinions to myself. God forbid anyone have a differing opinion to yourself on a forum.

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:43 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Tansey has proved in pre-season he is not a half back.

I'm happy to progress with Miller. He has done a great job in defence in both organising, sweeping up and one on one tackling.
He had a few runs against Rovers but just couldn't get the space. It will come on the dryer grounds and when our forwards get quick play the ball.
He should stay.

Hall in my opinion has skills, but we would be adding a weak tackler in to the team when we have only just sorted that out.

Howarth I don't mind as cover at SO. I'd rather put him with Miller though so we don't have two slow half backs but I don't think Vasty is wrong. Howarth has the skills, just not the speed.

If through his performances Tansey proved in pre-season that he is not a halfback then has Miller not done then same so far as his showings have been just as underwhelming? Sorry but i saw no real attacking improvement in him on sunday although i agree his defensive efforts were very good. As i said i am willing to stick with him for now but we need more from him than 3 or 4 decent runs outs on dry tracks a year, our ourseas players are vital to us and we have to have more than we are getting from a halfback. If there is no improvement then we will have to look elsewhere, do i truly think Tansey is the answer, no probably not. But neither probably is Hall for the defensive reason you stated or Howarth for his lack of speed alongside the equally pedestrian Finn. Howarth may work alongside a quicker player as the 'thinking man' should Finn be injured but as you say not as a pairing. Max Jowitt has played occasional game at 6 in the academy but his best position is fullback, along with Hall, Tansey, BJB, and arguably at times last year Miller. The squad has a major imbalance and if things don't pick up soon we somehow need to look to move someone on, maybe one of Hall or Tansey, in order to try and get a stand off in, possibly using our last non-fed place. Whether anyone would take them and pay their wages to enable this to happen is another matter.

[PopTart]

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:55 pm  

Vasty, no need for the name calling. Stand by your point rather than putting others down.

Sacred Cow, you make a good point and I'd be happy to bring in someone else, but with what we have Miller is my first choice SO, probably Hall is second, Tansey is an emergency and Howarth is a stand in if we have a problem during the game.

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:07 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

If through his performances Tansey proved in pre-season that he is not a halfback then has Miller not done then same so far as his showings have been just as underwhelming? Sorry but i saw no real attacking improvement in him on sunday although i agree his defensive efforts were very good. As i said i am willing to stick with him for now but we need more from him than 3 or 4 decent runs outs on dry tracks a year, our ourseas players are vital to us and we have to have more than we are getting from a halfback. If there is no improvement then we will have to look elsewhere, do i truly think Tansey is the answer, no probably not. But neither probably is Hall for the defensive reason you stated or Howarth for his lack of speed alongside the equally pedestrian Finn. Howarth may work alongside a quicker player as the 'thinking man' should Finn be injured but as you say not as a pairing. Max Jowitt has played occasional game at 6 in the academy but his best position is fullback, along with Hall, Tansey, BJB, and arguably at times last year Miller. The squad has a major imbalance and if things don't pick up soon we somehow need to look to move someone on, maybe one of Hall or Tansey, in order to try and get a stand off in, possibly using our last non-fed place. Whether anyone would take them and pay their wages to enable this to happen is another matter.

Not sure of the point your trying to make here, having criticised Miller you've then put forward the names of Hall, Howarth, Jowitt, BJB, and then ruled them out because of their individual short comings, but you'd be tempted to put Tansey in Millers place despite no specific reason for it and then admitting he is not the answer but as you say Howarth is too slow and Hall can't tackle, yet as say Miller can do both.

Re: first team players : Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:29 pm  

ScrummingJumper wrote:

I can't work out if you are the most arrogant, ignorant man on these boards! If anyone doesn't take on board your almighty rugby knowledge then you are straight on the offensive.

I take into account your link but I also take into account that I have eyes, have seen him play and like many others who must also be thick and ignorant can not believe for a moment Stuart Howarth is a super league level half.

As it will be impossible to have any sort of reasonable debate with you as you obviously know much much more than me regarding the subject I'll sit back and keep my opinions to myself. God forbid anyone have a differing opinion to yourself on a forum.

well said