Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:25 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote: Have you seen the Western Australia Public Health Act 2016 (last updated July 2019), sheer madness: "Enforcement of requirement to undergo medical observation or medical or other procedure(1)If an emergency officer gives a direction to a person under section184(1)(c) to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated, an emergency officer or police officer may use reasonable force to ensure that the direction is complied with, including, if necessary—(a)to apprehend and detain the person to whom the direction applies (the relevant person) and take the relevant person to a place where the person is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and(b)to detain the relevant person at the place where he or she is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and(c)to restrain the relevant person—(i)to enable a medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out; or(ii)to enable the relevant person to be vaccinated; and(d)to remove anything (including underwear) that the relevant person is wearing, if—(i)the removal of the thing is reasonably necessary to enable a medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out or, as the case requires, to enable the person to be vaccinated; and (ii)the relevant person is given a reasonable opportunity to remove the thing himself or herself, and refuses or fails to do so." Here's the link to the document if anyone questions this source of information. https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... mYltqsqbPk It's not a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy fact. If there isn't enough take up they'll force it on them using this shameful act. I will add a conspiracy theory here, and not ashamed to do it. Many believe Victoria is being used as a model to see how far people can be pushed / manipulated. If successful this tyranny may be rolled out in other places, including the UK. Some real horror stories coming out of there.

MatthewTrin wrote: Have you seen the Western Australia Public Health Act 2016 (last updated July 2019), sheer madness: "Enforcement of requirement to undergo medical observation or medical or other procedure(1)If an emergency officer gives a direction to a person under section184(1)(c) to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated, an emergency officer or police officer may use reasonable force to ensure that the direction is complied with, including, if necessary—(a)to apprehend and detain the person to whom the direction applies (the relevant person) and take the relevant person to a place where the person is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and(b)to detain the relevant person at the place where he or she is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and(c)to restrain the relevant person—(i)to enable a medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out; or(ii)to enable the relevant person to be vaccinated; and(d)to remove anything (including underwear) that the relevant person is wearing, if—(i)the removal of the thing is reasonably necessary to enable a medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out or, as the case requires, to enable the person to be vaccinated; and (ii)the relevant person is given a reasonable opportunity to remove the thing himself or herself, and refuses or fails to do so." Here's the link to the document if anyone questions this source of information. https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... mYltqsqbPk It's not a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy fact. If there isn't enough take up they'll force it on them using this shameful act. I will add a conspiracy theory here, and not ashamed to do it. Many believe Victoria is being used as a model to see how far people can be pushed / manipulated. If successful this tyranny may be rolled out in other places, including the UK. Some real horror stories coming out of there.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:47 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Is there ANYONE that wants the current situation to be the norm ?

There are different schools of thought and opinion as to haw people should carry on and go about their daily business but, I certainly dont know anyone who wants what we have now or, a deeper lockdown, to be the norm.

You mention in an earlier post about preferring personal experiences to "state" advice but, surely, this is open to substantial differences in interpretation and some fact based advice would be better.

The reason I said "want" is because every criticism I make, any evidence to show up those goons in charge has been challenged by yourself and others on here (you know who they are). This leads me to believe you are 99% in support of Boris, Bill, Hancock and the rest. Everything from the lockdown, distancing, masks, curfews, infection and death figures and even taking away our ability to simply buy a pint appears to have your support. Proved simply by the way you attempt to shoot me down at every turn and a refusal to hold those in power to account.

Who was it who stated this thread is "hilarious" ??? But it isn't, is it?

Fine, you believe the agenda. I simply wanted to know if you were aware of the situation in the Australian state of Victoria and at what point will you finally hold your hands up and say "enough". Or will you welcome even tougher measures and the further destruction of society.

To sum up, how far are you prepared to go? In my view you have already gone too far and the sanctions already imposed on us are totally disproportionate even if you believe the figures.

I do not trust state advise that's for sure. You do and I think it's the first time in history a bunch of politicians have been so slavishly trusted by the population of this country.

Ok RikK and the rest. If you've read this far fire away.....I'm ready for ya .

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:00 pm  

Miro wrote:

The reason I said "want" is because every criticism I make, any evidence to show up those goons in charge has been challenged by yourself and others on here (you know who they are). This leads me to believe you are 99% in support of Boris, Bill, Hancock and the rest. Everything from the lockdown, distancing, masks, curfews, infection and death figures and even taking away our ability to simply buy a pint appears to have your support. Proved simply by the way you attempt to shoot me down at every turn and a refusal to hold those in power to account.

Who was it who stated this thread is "hilarious" ??? But it isn't, is it?

Fine, you believe the agenda. I simply wanted to know if you were aware of the situation in the Australian state of Victoria and at what point will you finally hold your hands up ans say "enough". Or will you welcome even tougher measures and the further destruction of society.

To sum up, how far are you prepared to go? In my view you have gone too far and the sanctions already imposed on us are totally disproportionate.

I do not trust state advise that's for sure. You do and I think it's the first time in history a bunch of politicians have been so slavishly trusted by the population of this country.

Ok RikK and the rest. If you've read this far fire away.....I'm ready for ya .

No no. Miro. You misunderstand.
I don't blindly support Boris or the conservatives. I just use my brain to decide for myself.

I know some on here are strongly linked to one party no matter what, because they support the overall policy.
I and many on here are simply intelligent enough to take the evidence and decide what we agree with.

Some of the government work and people I am sceptical of, some based on the evidence I'm ok with.
Most of your evidence I find to be sourced from people using half truths to perpetuate a conspiracy that is just very unlikely if not a flat out lie for anarchy sake.

Time will tell I guess.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:12 pm  

PopTart wrote:

No no. Miro. You misunderstand.
I don't blindly support Boris or the conservatives. I just use my brain to decide for myself.

I know some on here are strongly linked to one party no matter what, because they support the overall policy.
I and many on here are simply intelligent enough to take the evidence and decide what we agree with.

Some of the government work and people I am sceptical of, some based on the evidence I'm ok with.
Most of your evidence I find to be sourced from people using half truths to perpetuate a conspiracy that is just very unlikely if not a flat out lie for anarchy sake.

Time will tell I guess.

I didn't say "blindly" I quoted 99% support. Shall we say 95% ? My estimate anyway based upon your posts at least.

I have been accused of this before on here yet when I ask, no evidence is ever forthcoming.
So, can you please hi lite those "sourced from people using half truths to perpetuate a conspiracy "
Also, show me the "flat out lies"

I noticed Pop Tart, that when challenged by another poster re your Ossett / Covid / Pinderfields figures you kinda went to ground. Now is your chance to put the record straight, how did that work out?
Not trying to trap you in any way, I know nothing of that except local gossip which of course, I do not intend to repeat.

I await your response.

As for "anarchy" A wish to return to normal is ANARCHY ???

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:02 am  

Miro wrote:

I didn't say "blindly" I quoted 99% support. Shall we say 95% ? My estimate anyway based upon your posts at least.

I have been accused of this before on here yet when I ask, no evidence is ever forthcoming.
So, can you please hi lite those "sourced from people using half truths to perpetuate a conspiracy "
Also, show me the "flat out lies"

I noticed Pop Tart, that when challenged by another poster re your Ossett / Covid / Pinderfields figures you kinda went to ground. Now is your chance to put the record straight, how did that work out?
Not trying to trap you in any way, I know nothing of that except local gossip which of course, I do not intend to repeat.

I await your response.

As for "anarchy" A wish to return to normal is ANARCHY ???

I don't go to ground Miro, I just get a bit bored repeating the same thing over and over.
I answered the Pinderfields stat. You are welcome to go check. I don't mind either way.
My comments on Pinderfields was based on a family member working on ICU and a close friend who was a patient on the ward who for a long time was at risk of not coming out but eventually did. Still not back to normal yet though.

I'm saying anarchy because some people just challenge the government or the status quo just for the sake of challenging. That may not always be the intention of course. Hard to say.

I enjoy discussing this with you but the problem is that even if every fact or opinion you post is absolutely true, you still only post 'facts' that support your conclusion rather than post balanced facts and draw a conclusion from it all.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:05 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't go to ground Miro, I just get a bit bored repeating the same thing over and over.
I answered the Pinderfields stat. You are welcome to go check. I don't mind either way.
My comments on Pinderfields was based on a family member working on ICU and a close friend who was a patient on the ward who for a long time was at risk of not coming out but eventually did. Still not back to normal yet though.

I'm saying anarchy because some people just challenge the government or the status quo just for the sake of challenging. That may not always be the intention of course. Hard to say.

I enjoy discussing this with you but the problem is that even if every fact or opinion you post is absolutely true, you still only post 'facts' that support your conclusion rather than post balanced facts and draw a conclusion from it all.

Cross purposes maybe, I was referring to the Ossett people being taken to Pinders. Looked back but can't find it. Maybe it's been deleted.

I don't challenge the government for the sake of it at all but even if I did it could not be classed as ""anarchy"

For the record I am neither Labour, conservative or Liberal. I have never belonged to any right wing party be it BNP, NF or any other.
Nor have I been a communist but I would consider myself socialist at best. I am not a monarchist but hey, I could have been swayed if Princess Diana had become Queen


Anyway, enough of the friendly banter. This is the question I asked you. but not answered.

I would like you to point out these people in my posts, I really do dispute your comment.
You wrote:
Most of your evidence I find to be sourced from people using half truths to perpetuate a conspiracy that is just very unlikely if not a flat out lie for anarchy sake.

I can assure you we feel very strongly, and have from the very begining, that covid-19 or whatever it is, is being used as a vehicle to change the way we live, to dismantle society and screw us over for whatever they have in store for us.
I think you will agree and it's surely beyond dispute that so far, that is working out pretty dammed well. As you say time will tell and history will be the judge.

Anyhoo, Have a good Sunday and up the Trin.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:08 am  

brilliant first sentence miro more conspiracy theories

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:54 am  

snowie wrote:

:lol: brilliant first sentence miro more conspiracy theories

So, the word "maybe" is a conspiracy theory?

Snowie, stop humiliating yourself. Find it, show us, Job done.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:42 pm  

[quote="Miro"]Cross purposes maybe, I was referring to the Ossett people being taken to Pinders. Looked back but can't find it. Maybe it's been deleted

Check the Wakey Express 26 Sept.

The source was identified via other social media

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:30 pm  

Miro wrote:

So, the word "maybe" is a conspiracy theory?

Snowie, stop humiliating yourself. Find it, show us, Job done.

find it your self its you that's questioning it