Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:21 am  

DoubleAone wrote:

Well at last a considered reply many thanks.

I dont see where I have inferred anything that would suggest any club was involved directly in any wrong doing.

but neither should they benefit is my view. I dont know that ignorance of the facts is an acceptable excuse either.

Although i do have some sympathy for what you are suggesting.

In order for a club to be punished,they would have to be found guilty of misconduct that impinges on the integrity of the game -- which Wakefield are not.
Also,and i could be wrong on this,but the first sample taken has to be "in competition" if retraction of medals/points etc...is to be done.

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:43 am  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

Although i do have some sympathy for what you are suggesting.

In order for a club to be punished,they would have to be found guilty of misconduct that impinges on the integrity of the game -- which Wakefield are not.
Also,and i could be wrong on this,but the first sample taken has to be "in competition" if retraction of medals/points etc...is to be done.

yes you are correct,
how can you tell or prove that a sample taken in November has influenced a result in February the following year,
to punish the club is nonsense

to all Rhino fans complaining, Wakey 3 from 3 get over it

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:18 pm  

Let's be honest though, if any club was systematically doping their players (which, perhaps happens, or did happen, in cycling), then having a few points deducted would be the very least of their worries!

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:43 pm  

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Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:48 pm  

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Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:57 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

Although i do have some sympathy for what you are suggesting.

In order for a club to be punished,they would have to be found guilty of misconduct that impinges on the integrity of the game -- which Wakefield are not.

Also,and i could be wrong on this,but the first sample taken has to be "in competition" if retraction of medals/points etc...is to be done.

Now having consideration of the test date and the slow process of testing Wakefield are then certainly innocent of any misconduct.....

my point was they have benefited from the individuals" crime" but given the above situation then I conceed that any deduction of points would be too harsh.

In relation to other comments from Wakefield fans this was never about the particular club involved from my point of view but a general arguement about drugs in sport.

I am a big fan of JK as a coach and the clubs start to the season is a credit to him and the remaining players.

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:48 pm  

I reckon if I was Terry Newton I would want to find out why the governing body seem able to name the rugby league players with the findings, but not those from association football,the RFU and powerlifters.(They even name wheelchair cannabis users) Take any one of the 109 pages U.K.A.D.website

I reckon if I was Terry Newton I would want to find out why the governing body seem able to name the rugby league players with the findings, but not those from association football,the RFU and powerlifters.(They even name wheelchair cannabis users) Take any one of the 109 pages U.K.A.D.website

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:31 pm  

Waketrin Wild wrote: I reckon if I was Terry Newton I would want to find out why the governing body seem able to name the rugby league players with the findings, but not those from association football,the RFU and powerlifters.(They even name wheelchair cannabis users) Take any one of the 109 pages U.K.A.D.website Paddy Kenny makes it onto that list. Either way it makes no ends to Newton, he cheated, for what ever reason, and got caught. Who else is named on a list is of little consequence to him. It certainly wouldn’t have saved his career.

Waketrin Wild wrote: I reckon if I was Terry Newton I would want to find out why the governing body seem able to name the rugby league players with the findings, but not those from association football,the RFU and powerlifters.(They even name wheelchair cannabis users) Take any one of the 109 pages U.K.A.D.website Paddy Kenny makes it onto that list. Either way it makes no ends to Newton, he cheated, for what ever reason, and got caught. Who else is named on a list is of little consequence to him. It certainly wouldn’t have saved his career.

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:52 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Paddy Kenny makes it onto that list.
Either way it makes no ends to Newton, he cheated, for what ever reason, and got caught. Who else is named on a list is of little consequence to him. It certainly wouldn’t have saved his career.

I did notice Paddy Kenny,but with him now being at Sheffield United and outside of the Premier League he may not be considered high profile (should that be a reason for naming or not naming )
I just thought it an anomaly when everyone should be pulling in the same direction against the misuse of banned substances.I would NOT like to think that for some reason,some sportspeople are spared publicity while others are not.
Either all are named or it is kept secret between the testers and the tested and clubs throw a veil of secrecy when the bans come into force.
My own view is that all are named once a test confirms a finding.

Re: Terry Newton has been provisionally suspended : Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:01 pm  

Waketrin Wild wrote:

I did notice Paddy Kenny,but with him now being at Sheffield United and outside of the Premier League he may not be considered high profile (should that be a reason for naming or not naming )
I just thought it an anomaly when everyone should be pulling in the same direction against the misuse of banned substances.I would NOT like to think that for some reason,some sportspeople are spared publicity while others are not.
Either all are named or it is kept secret between the testers and the tested and clubs throw a veil of secrecy when the bans come into force.
My own view is that all are named once a test confirms a finding.

I agree it is a little strange that the people who have been given a suspension or fine don’t have their name 'up in lights' so to speak. It seems a little bizarre. However, I still think Newton would find little solace in these gaps being filled in.