Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:02 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Watching the tries on highlights. Ever try except 1 in the last 2 games have come through the edges.

It’s obvious the structure and defence out wide is not adequate. Also that right edge was poor with so many players on the outside/inside of Lineham going through untouched.

Lineham beaten to another kick too. I want to give him a chance band won’t knock his effort but I’m not sure he is good enough for superleague anymore.

How the coaches sort it out I don’t know but the edges really need addressing.

Same problem as last season the middle is tackling but they are not dominating the ruck hence they are too compressed leaving the flanks exposed. It's ok praising the middle but they are exposing the flanks.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:14 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Same problem as last season the middle is tackling but they are not dominating the ruck hence they are too compressed leaving the flanks exposed. It's ok praising the middle but they are exposing the flanks.

They look knackered. They were so compressed.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:23 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Same problem as last season the middle is tackling but they are not dominating the ruck hence they are too compressed leaving the flanks exposed. It's ok praising the middle but they are exposing the flanks.

Not in this case. Read my more detailed post further on. I spent a good 45 minutes at least slowing down/pausing every try and analysing where the issues were. The issues are very much the edges and not middles (more specifically the centres). It’s different to last season but still a very real issue all the same.

I’m praising the middle for the fact they aren’t conceding tries or breaks. But I’m not praising them for their yard gains etc. I’m not quite sure what we expect though when we are constantly coming out from deep and kicking on the 30/40.

The middle aren’t too compressed imho and the highlights prove that no forward is at fault for any of those tries vs Wigan. Almost every Wigan try we had enough players to deal with the attack because the middles and second rows had done their jobs but for poor decision making from the centres to leave the wingers facing 2/3 on 1 situations.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:47 pm  

Our edge defence has been garbage for ten years. Opposing wingers have had free run ins forever and a day. The last three coaches didn’t seem able to sort it. After sixty years, I’m taking a break. Sitting out in freezing cold and rain watching unopposed rugby is not for me.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:49 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Not in this case. Read my more detailed post further on. I spent a good 45 minutes at least slowing down/pausing every try and analysing where the issues were. The issues are very much the edges and not middles (more specifically the centres). It’s different to last season but still a very real issue all the same.

I’m praising the middle for the fact they aren’t conceding tries or breaks. But I’m not praising them for their yard gains etc. I’m not quite sure what we expect though when we are constantly coming out from deep and kicking on the 30/40.

The middle aren’t too compressed imho and the highlights prove that no forward is at fault for any of those tries vs Wigan. Almost every Wigan try we had enough players to deal with the attack because the middles and second rows had done their jobs but for poor decision making from the centres to leave the wingers facing 2/3 on 1 situations.

Well we agree to disagree

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:04 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Well we agree to disagree

Sure, we don’t all have to agree.

To be fair I’m just commenting and basing my opinion off the actual video footage. Can’t say anything else that I didn’t see in that.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:53 pm  

I can't fathom what our game plan must have been surely you must try to make it as most difficult as possible for the opposition, Why didn't we do what KR did and try to close them down more quickly and get in there faces, I know it's not as easy as it sounds but we have to changed,We are clearly not as good as most teams but we will have to find a way to compete better because we wont win a game all year if we play like again.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:06 pm  

acko wrote:

I can't fathom what our game plan must have been surely you must try to make it as most difficult as possible for the opposition, Why didn't we do what KR did and try to close them down more quickly and get in there faces, I know it's not as easy as it sounds but we have to changed,We are clearly not as good as most teams but we will have to find a way to compete better because we wont win a game all year if we play like again.

If we play with the energy that we’ve shown the last two games I couldn’t agree more.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:44 pm  

acko wrote:

I can't fathom what our game plan must have been surely you must try to make it as most difficult as possible for the opposition, Why didn't we do what KR did and try to close them down more quickly and get in there faces, I know it's not as easy as it sounds but we have to changed,We are clearly not as good as most teams but we will have to find a way to compete better because we wont win a game all year if we play like again.

Mash has said a few times that we are focusing on us not the opposition. I think mostly that’s right bu we should also be looking at what other teams do successfully to beat our opponents and take parts of what they do well and incorporate it.

Trinity teams over the years have been notorious for not quickly moving up and we appear happy to plant our feet in the ground and wait for the contact instead of initiating it on our own terms. It’s always been frustrating especially on the rare ocassions we do enforce a quick line and shut teams down we end up with a win or good effect.

It’s clear where our issues are but fixing them is another thing entirely.

Re: Wigan Warriors vs Wakefield Trinity : Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:07 pm  

Just watched match on Trin TV and dismayed how bad we played.No energy, kicking as bad as Cats game and looked to be a collective acceptance that they were only there to make up the numbers.Can we turn this shambles around? Hope so!