Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:24 am  

Prince Buster wrote:

I entirely agree with your comments. Legal action is the only route as far as money is concerned I have been informed it is not that much in the grand scheme of things, about the same as we pour down the bottomless pit of BV to keep it alive season after season. I think spending the money on a legal challenge would be a more prudent investment than buying the yearly 'sticking plasters' to keep BV limping along for another season

It would likely run comfortably into a six figure fee with no guarantee of success, still a big risk.

But for all the talk of legal action, what, exactly will the legal action be for and who will it be against. Are we talking about the council here and it's decision to allow the Newcold build outside of the unilateral undertaking? If so i know from working in planning for many years there are a myriad of technicalities there that a good lawyer could exploit and i've no doubt the council would employ a pretty shrewd operator in that department. Bare in mind also that any defence from them comes from the public purse, given most of Wakefield couldn't give a stuff about whether Trinity get a new stadium or not the public support for clubs/trusts legal action may not be all that high in times when cuts are still having to be made. Other than that the council have done nothing other than offer a lack of support by the sounds, not really basis for a legal arguement even if it is the wrong stance to take. I have to agree that protests at this stage are probably pointless, the situation has moved on from there and having worked with Peter Box in a former life it will be like water off a ducks back.

Also what is hoping to be achieved by taking action? It won't suddenly force the council to build a stadium, they never had that responsibility anyway, it was always the developer. They are not going to all of a sudden build a stadium either, they would walk away from the project. Remember there was a trigger point that was to enable the build. Even if the freezer unit was included in 60,000 square meter limit the limit still wouldn't have been reached so they could still build another small unit somewhere and then call it off. So taking the developer to court won't work, they haven't actually broken any rules. They made a planning application for the freezer unit that was accepted. Not much else has happened on their part up to press so are untouchable and until they decide to build past the trigger limit nothing much can be done there. Morally wrong yes, but legally not.

Sadly I see no way in which even a successful legal challenge regarding the Newcold build will result in the club getting its new stadium. It may 'prove a point' or 'put some people in their place' which would be nice for about five minutes but ultimately the club will still be stuck with nowhere to go and have even more resentment built up against it in the corridors of power and potentially throughout the wider district. Given the costs involved and the chances of a successful outcome and what will be gained from that it's a tough decision to decide whether to proceed. I have to agree that a full statement is needed to clarify issues sooner rather than later.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:12 am  

What a horrible corrupt world we live in, i can not find the words to express my utter contempt for that vile 6 fingered inbred Box. Aabsoloutely disgusting that this has been allowed to happen and i for one do not believe that box did not know all along what was going off, i doubt he got a brown paper envelope he would have done this for the pleasure.I hope you rot in hell box for what you have done to this once great city.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:51 am  

Sandal Cat wrote:

Guys, I put a brief post on Page 27 of this thread.

When we have returned from France next week I am suggesting that the Trust puts out a statement or maybe even organises a Public Meeting which states the position.

As one of the inside battlers SC I fully appreciate your efforts and that of others. Posters on here are venting their anger and frustration that's all. It must be incredibly hard for such as yourself to have restraint - but with respect, you do have some inside knowledge. the posters on here are fed only tit bits and rumour which builds up more frustration and again with respect we are constantly told a statement will be forthcoming.
I'm sure you fully intend to put something out in the near future but I very much fear it will not be what the supporters want to hear.
A sincere thanks for your endeavour though!

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:27 pm  

sixtogo wrote:

It would likely run comfortably into a six figure fee with no guarantee of success, still a big risk.

But for all the talk of legal action, what, exactly will the legal action be for and who will it be against. Are we talking about the council here and it's decision to allow the Newcold build outside of the unilateral undertaking? If so i know from working in planning for many years there are a myriad of technicalities there that a good lawyer could exploit and i've no doubt the council would employ a pretty shrewd operator in that department. Bare in mind also that any defence from them comes from the public purse, given most of Wakefield couldn't give a stuff about whether Trinity get a new stadium or not the public support for clubs/trusts legal action may not be all that high in times when cuts are still having to be made. Other than that the council have done nothing other than offer a lack of support by the sounds, not really basis for a legal arguement even if it is the wrong stance to take. I have to agree that protests at this stage are probably pointless, the situation has moved on from there and having worked with Peter Box in a former life it will be like water off a ducks back.

Also what is hoping to be achieved by taking action? It won't suddenly force the council to build a stadium, they never had that responsibility anyway, it was always the developer. They are not going to all of a sudden build a stadium either, they would walk away from the project. Remember there was a trigger point that was to enable the build. Even if the freezer unit was included in 60,000 square meter limit the limit still wouldn't have been reached so they could still build another small unit somewhere and then call it off. So taking the developer to court won't work, they haven't actually broken any rules. They made a planning application for the freezer unit that was accepted. Not much else has happened on their part up to press so are untouchable and until they decide to build past the trigger limit nothing much can be done there. Morally wrong yes, but legally not.

Sadly I see no way in which even a successful legal challenge regarding the Newcold build will result in the club getting its new stadium. It may 'prove a point' or 'put some people in their place' which would be nice for about five minutes but ultimately the club will still be stuck with nowhere to go and have even more resentment built up against it in the corridors of power and potentially throughout the wider district. Given the costs involved and the chances of a successful outcome and what will be gained from that it's a tough decision to decide whether to proceed. I have to agree that a full statement is needed to clarify issues sooner rather than later.

Agree with the above. Legal action might make a few people sweating but in reality it will not resolve the primary issue here and that's a new stadium for Wakefield. Yorkcourt have no intention nor money to finance a new build or redevelopment. Legal won't change that. Save the cash and put it into a pot to look at buying a plot of land Trinity can call home.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:05 pm  

The battle was lost many months ago with Mackie and Box having their hands up TRB and crews ar5se, just like Harry Corbett with Sooty and Sweep. Maybe time now to do as much P.R. damage as possible to the individuals involved.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:42 pm  

When working as a contract engineer years ago, I had discussions with an expert on contract law, his bottom line advise was carry on with talks until you compromise reaching agreement, keep away from lawyers they will sue their granny for a dollar.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:54 pm  

Step one would be expensive, as I'm assuming it would be action against the council for not fulfilling their duties in enforcing the unilateral undertaking.

Let's say we win that battle.

Don't Yorkcourt then turn round and say, sorry guys, no money?

At best, it's a threat to force Yorkcourt to stump up cash they haven't got. What it won't do is buy Belle Vue, especially if the Super Bowl site has gone.

I can bet the planning application for whatever goes there will whizz through the town hall like Nigel Wood at a buffet.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:38 pm  

Sir Rodney Walker has been very quiet about all this which is unlike him.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:16 pm  

Brian Briggs Ghost wrote:

Sir Rodney Walker has been very quiet about all this which is unlike him.

I'm sure his ears pricked up when Slugger mentioned the buffet.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:29 pm  

Somebody posted on Twitter that wdmc have boosted that they have oldest rugby league clubs in the super league , mc says not for much longer