Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:51 am  

I'd like to see the stats for England - because for me, whilst he looks willing, he can also look a bit ineffectual; he seems fairly easy to stop and is often dominated.

Fifita is a law unto himself, and both Huby and Hirst have nice feet and the potential to offload; Allgood is a machine - he just goes straight up time after time. I'm not sure what England's USP is.

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:21 am  

bren2k wrote:

I'd like to see the stats for England - because for me, whilst he looks willing, he can also look a bit ineffectual; he seems fairly easy to stop and is often dominated.

Fifita is a law unto himself, and both Huby and Hirst have nice feet and the potential to offload; Allgood is a machine - he just goes straight up time after time. I'm not sure what England's USP is.

Stats according to SuperLeague website
Fifita:
Tackles 386
Marker Tackles 62
Missed Tackles 17
Tackle Busts 58
Carries 247
Metres 1899
Average Gain 7.69

Huby:
Tackles 362
Marker Tackles 31
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 21
Carries 207
Metres 1481
Average Gain 7.15

England:
Tackles 259
Marker Tackles 44
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 5
Carries 136
Metres 869
Average Gain 6.39

Hirst:
Tackles 199
Marker Tackles 30
Missed Tackles 5
Tackle Busts 7
Carries 94
Metres 697
Average Gain 7.41

Allgood:
Tackles 217
Marker Tackles 35
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 8
Carries 94
Metres 621
Average Gain 6.61

Arona:
Tackles 511
Marker Tackles 79
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 8
Carries 199
Metres 1281
Average Gain 6.44

Standout stats for me -
Fifita 58 tackle busts
Arona 511 tackles
That's 2 big misses for Thursday night, someone else needs to step up. England has the lowest average gain of all our props so needs a big effort from him in their absence to give the team a boost.

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:17 pm  

Fordy wrote:

England has the lowest average gain of all our props so needs a big effort from him in their absence to give the team a boost.

So it wasn't just something I thought I was seeing; he does seem to get stopped dead when he runs the ball in, and for a big lad, seems easier to chuck about than most forwards.

[PopTart]

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:57 pm  

He's dropped off but isn't bad. I'm sure it's just a slow process recovering from injury.

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:27 pm  

Fordy wrote:

Stats according to SuperLeague website
Fifita:
Tackles 386
Marker Tackles 62
Missed Tackles 17
Tackle Busts 58
Carries 247
Metres 1899
Average Gain 7.69

Huby:
Tackles 362
Marker Tackles 31
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 21
Carries 207
Metres 1481
Average Gain 7.15

England:
Tackles 259
Marker Tackles 44
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 5
Carries 136
Metres 869
Average Gain 6.39

Hirst:
Tackles 199
Marker Tackles 30
Missed Tackles 5
Tackle Busts 7
Carries 94
Metres 697
Average Gain 7.41

Allgood:
Tackles 217
Marker Tackles 35
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 8
Carries 94
Metres 621
Average Gain 6.61

Arona:
Tackles 511
Marker Tackles 79
Missed Tackles 23
Tackle Busts 8
Carries 199
Metres 1281
Average Gain 6.44

Standout stats for me -
Fifita 58 tackle busts
Arona 511 tackles
That's 2 big misses for Thursday night, someone else needs to step up. England has the lowest average gain of all our props so needs a big effort from him in their absence to give the team a boost.

They're all season totals which are nice to see but for comparison purposes you'd have to break them down into per minutes played and/or look at which times in the game i.e. Stats per 1st qtr/2nd qtr etc combined with stats per minutes played.

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:53 pm  

PopTart wrote:

He's dropped off but isn't bad. I'm sure it's just a slow process recovering from injury.

This

He's not the player he was last season, he hasn't been right since returning from injury, he looks like he's trying and is successful enough at times to be there or there abouts for the team sheet but he's not having the same impact.
I dunno why that is, it has to be related to his time off cos I can't think of anything else, he wouldn't get in the team if it was attitude or approach, so....I dunno

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:29 pm  

I put Englands form down to his injury. It was a long term one and when he initially returned he was getting beaten in the physical battle which was a rarity last year.

That said his last handful of games theres been a marked improvement and although still not back to his best he is improving for me and getting that physicality and impact back in his game.

On more recent performances he deserves his spot and for me he looks like he will be hitting his straps again come super 8s.

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:23 pm  

I don't really get this knocking players thing! England has had bad luck with injuries and at least he tries when he plays. He's a member of a very good squad and I think he should be allowed to find his form again without the inferences that he isn't pulling his weight.

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:57 pm  

Trinity1315 wrote:

I don't really get this knocking players thing! England has had bad luck with injuries and at least he tries when he plays. He's a member of a very good squad and I think he should be allowed to find his form again without the inferences that he isn't pulling his weight.

My sentiments exactly

Re: Keegan Hirst : Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:05 pm  

PopTart wrote:

He's dropped off but isn't bad. I'm sure it's just a slow process recovering from injury.

My thoughts also

His form has being improving each game since he came back, the build back up to 100% can take longer for different players (and also depending the injury)

Tomorrow is a massive game for us and I fully expect England to really stand up and be counted tomorrow