Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:21 am  

Egg Banjo wrote:

But we've been down by that £40k for the past decade so it's not like it's a new and unknown expense.

Agree, but if Catalans had gone down we would be £40,000 better off. I'm sure Michael and Chris would like an additional £40,000 to play with.

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:27 pm  

Moan moan bloody moan. Leigh bring 500. HKR bring 1000. Simple maths.
Stand still in any business and you wither and die.
The RFL are not brilliant but come on, media profile is everything and Catalans etc add to it.
Why did the RFU put a game on over the pond? Because they are poop scared we will win the market share.
We are leagues behind them in finance but very often light years ahead in ideas.
Get used to it. Other clubs may come to the table and in 10 or 15 years time there may be the super dooper league, super league and championships etc.

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:40 pm  

Manuel wrote:

Moan moan bloody moan. Leigh bring 500. HKR bring 1000. Simple maths.
Stand still in any business and you wither and die.
The RFL are not brilliant but come on, media profile is everything and Catalans etc add to it.
Why did the RFU put a game on over the pond? Because they are poop scared we will win the market share.
We are leagues behind them in finance but very often light years ahead in ideas.
Get used to it. Other clubs may come to the table and in 10 or 15 years time there may be the super dooper league, super league and championships etc.

Whose bloody moaning. I have just stated the financial facts that Catalans being in Super League cost us.

For what it's worth I am already planning our trip to the South of France which we have made pretty much every year since Catalans have been in Super League.

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:37 pm  

Hope it's a summer fixture next year

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:42 am  

Willzay wrote:

I'd like to see evidence where that French TV deal brings money into the game since they only show Catalans games. The only benefactors I can see are Catalans and Sky, if they were to show other RL matches then maybe you're right as that would mean more 'exposure'.

You'd like to see evidence that French TV brings money into the game? Do you think they get the rights for free?

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:14 am  

jakeyg95 wrote:

Willzay wrote:

I'd like to see evidence where that French TV deal brings money into the game since they only show Catalans games. The only benefactors I can see are Catalans and Sky, if they were to show other RL matches then maybe you're right as that would mean more 'exposure'.

You'd like to see evidence that French TV brings money into the game? Do you think they get the rights for free?

I'd like to see how it makes the slightest difference. Do you think teams like Rochdale and Oxford benefit from this super TV deal?

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:57 am  

Willzay wrote:

I'd like to see how it makes the slightest difference. Do you think teams like Rochdale and Oxford benefit from this super TV deal?

Do you think that Rochdale and Oxford would benefit from any new TV deal for SL
Although it would be great if the TV cash filtered right down through the RL pyramid, the reality is that the vast, vast majority goes to pay the wages of those in the top flight and whilst there is a little more going into the Championship that in previous years, there isn't enough to go round.
Dropping Catalan could actually reduce the TV deal and where does that help any British club ?

The fundamental question is whether we look after ourselves, even though this may mean less TV income and a shrinking game or, do we try and grow the sport.

Of course, EVERYONE wants more cash and the key is how to extract a better deal from Sky.
However, televising the game to the "converted" in the heartlands just wont grow the game and therefore wont allow any kind of better deal.
RL has to improve it's appeal to a wider audience, end of story.

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:18 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Do you think that Rochdale and Oxford would benefit from any new TV deal for SL
Although it would be great if the TV cash filtered right down through the RL pyramid, the reality is that the vast, vast majority goes to pay the wages of those in the top flight and whilst there is a little more going into the Championship that in previous years, there isn't enough to go round.
Dropping Catalan could actually reduce the TV deal and where does that help any British club ?

The fundamental question is whether we look after ourselves, even though this may mean less TV income and a shrinking game or, do we try and grow the sport.

Of course, EVERYONE wants more cash and the key is how to extract a better deal from Sky.

However, televising the game to the "converted" in the heartlands just wont grow the game and therefore wont allow any kind of better deal.
RL has to improve it's appeal to a wider audience, end of story.

Ah so it's to the benefit of SL and not the game as some people are saying then. If Catalans had lost on Saturday it wouldn't be disastrous as the expansionists on the VT claimed because A) the championship would be more intriguing then ever, B) don't think Sky would be able to reduce the TV deal until the current one runs out whenever that is, and C) despite all the money they've spent on Aussies have Catalans made any difference to French RL.

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:25 am  

Willzay wrote:

Ah so it's to the benefit of SL and not the game as some people are saying then. If Catalans had lost on Saturday it wouldn't be disastrous as the expansionists on the VT claimed because A) the championship would be more intriguing then ever, B) don't think Sky would be able to reduce the TV deal until the current one runs out whenever that is, and C) despite all the money they've spent on Aussies have Catalans made any difference to French RL.

RL in France has always been a contentious subject, for many years they were actually banned by parliament from calling themselves rugby due to pressure from rugby union. Super League has brought tv deals and national coverage of a sport which would have otherwise been almost impossible to imagine had there not been a French SL club. The local French league is also getting stronger, predominately in the southern regions around Tolouse and Perpignan, with lots of young French talent coming into the game at a lower level. They're battling a tide of Union and the coverage from having a SL team is helping that cause, young French players are seeing league, and seeing it as a viable option now

Re: Will RFL's masters allow it ? : Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:29 am  

Willzay wrote:

I'd like to see how it makes the slightest difference. Do you think teams like Rochdale and Oxford benefit from this super TV deal?

My point was mostly aimed at those people saying Catalans cost us money by being in SL. It might cost us 40k to fly a team out there but I imagine we make that plus more on top from the fact there is a French TV deal.