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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:10 am  
What a complete embarrassment our sport is. It's a complete shambles from to bottom. It's so unprofessional it should be amateur. What a joke rugby league as become, the people in charge couldn't run an egg and spoon race. Pathetic
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:43 am  
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I doubt very much it will come as a great surprise to the vast majority of RL fans. Its a shame but you have to question the decision in the first place. With all the best intentions in the world by the owners and R FL it was in my opinion a bridge too far , Logisticaly a night mare . TORONTO received some great headlines and promotion for the sport but they will be well forgoton and sink in to insignificance over the next couple of months.
Surly before any such expansions take place in the future it must involve an area that can
1 sustain at leadt 50% of home grown talent.
2 offer an affordable transport link.
3 prove itself in the lower leagues before entering what should be the sports show piece.
I would go futher and base promotion and relegation over a three season period .


I agree with the decision to allow Toronto into the "Eurpoean" RL pyramid being flawed. Something that Nigel Wood should shoulder most of the blame for.
Getting RL properly established in N . America WOULD have been a major coup but, the logistics, especially for a small sport are and have been quite ridiculous.
There has to be some sympathy for the current Covid situation but, the wheels were already coming off and they were looking nailed on for the wooden spoon.
Perhaps now would be a good time to think about just where the sport is going and what will be best for the long term good of RL (which should have been the case all along)>
Although many dont agree, I think that Catalan, on the whole, add something positive and different to the sport, as would Toulouse if they made it into SL but, there has to be a major re think over the N. American "dream" and if there is going to be RL played over there, "we" need a different plan, I dont think that it can be part of the Championship and / or SL.
Just on the 3 points that you made about homegrown talent, affordable transport and proving themselves in the league structure.
I dont know how ANY new club could achieve those things in the professional arena, especially the 50% homegrown talent.
Would "homegrown" be from the country that they were based in or more directly from within the club itself ?
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:15 am  
I know what you are saying wrencat but surely any sustainable team must depent on a hime grown pool of players from the country of origin.
Im not sure but ireland used to have a RL presence run and coached by x uk based players.
I hinestly think the fans have been short changed on the exoansion issue. Scotlands been the venue for the so called magic weekend but no takers to join while rugby union thrives at a lower level.
Im no expert on expansion but would it not be better to concentrate nearer home in Ireland northern ireland and scotland.
Investors are obviously thin on the ground making the task more difficult.
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:44 am  
The problem is that Canada operate a visa system that meant that many championship clubs couldn’t field their first team squads. I assume without the virus this would still be the case giving Toronto an unfair advantage if any players are banned from entry. The RL have had quite sometime to visit this problem and try to find a resolution.
The advantage of France is distance and that they have much less draconian entry requirements hence why players moved there rather than to the U.K. so no obvious advantage.
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:01 am  
What other sport would put up with a member packing up at short notice and saying we'll be back next season (assuming things have improved for them I guess) and sadly I do believe the SL and the RFL will take it all in the name of expansion roll on New York and Ottawa could it get any crazier.
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:04 am  
What other sport would put up with a member packing up at short notice and saying we'll be back next season (assuming things have improved for them I guess) and sadly I do believe the SL and the RFL will take it all in the name of expansion roll on New York and Ottawa could it get any crazier.
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:06 am  
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I know what you are saying wrencat but surely any sustainable team must depent on a hime grown pool of players from the country of origin.
Im not sure but ireland used to have a RL presence run and coached by x uk based players.
I hinestly think the fans have been short changed on the exoansion issue. Scotlands been the venue for the so called magic weekend but no takers to join while rugby union thrives at a lower level.
Im no expert on expansion but would it not be better to concentrate nearer home in Ireland northern ireland and scotland.
Investors are obviously thin on the ground making the task more difficult.


It was always fundamentally flawed.
Toronto tried to smooth the way by paying for flights and accommodation in the lower leagues, which can be spun in different directions.
However, for a sport that is short of money (pre Covid19), adding substantial costs to every club to play games 3000 miles away, just seems reckless but, Nigel Wood was taken in and off we all went on the N. American adventure.
The one certainty is that were this kind of thing to happen (inability to complete the season) in any other sport, the club would be docked points and relegated.
However, RL doesn't appear to be following this path and seems happier to hide behind Covid.
The integrity of the comp has been inevitably damaged, which weakens our ability to secure more lucrative TV monies in future.
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:08 am  
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What other sport would put up with a member packing up at short notice and saying we'll be back next season (assuming things have improved for them I guess) and sadly I do believe the SL and the RFL will take it all in the name of expansion roll on New York and Ottawa could it get any crazier.


I don't think it will after this.
It would be better to let them form their own league for a few seasons first before any other attempt to integrate them into our RL system.
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:18 pm  
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Fev fancy a crack at their spot in Super League.
They could in theory play the fixtures and then start again next season in lower league. If they got the share of the tv money it would be a good deal for them.


Give them Toronto's share of TV money????? Toronto don't get any do they? I can't see Fev coming in with that deal in place!!!
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Re: Toronto gone : Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:18 pm  
Toronto,crusaders,bridgend ,Mansfield, Scarborough, gateshead why do we bother
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