Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:20 pm  

In response, PT, I will continue supporting Trinity for as long as I possibly can and would love nothing more than to see them repeat the success of earlier times, which I was fortunate enough to witness (not as far back as 1908 though),, but what the heck has money and injuries got to do with the way we are currently playing and being coached. Or are you beginning to see yourself that more money would attract a better coach? as for changing coach every year I don't want to see that myself, but CC has now had about four seasons in charge; some of his coaching staff even longer, and we are still continuously scraping through by avoiding relegation more by good luck than good fortune. Are you genuinely happy to see substandard performances match after match, and going home disheartened after yet another poor display? OK, we have hammered some good teams, but sadly we have been on the wrong side of a hammering far more often. You appear to be the eternal optimist and no matter how bad we get your rhetoric would be the same.
I'm sure that we all want the same thing in the long run; a successful Wakefield Trinity

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:33 pm  

I don't think those that know me would call me a moaner.
I am passionate about Wakefield Trinity and have been for more years than I care to remember. Any way, since when has "moaning", as you say, defined a non-supporter. If any thing "moaning" would indicate ones desire to see ones team strive to perform better more so than those who are quite happy to bury their head in the sand and think that a couple of wins mean that everything is a bed of roses. OK, the HKR, Cas, Wigan & Hull matches were reasonable performances to a degree but the cold facts are that we STILL LOST!!
The fact remains in my opinion that the current level of coaching needs to improve drastically before we can start winning games like those that you mentioned.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:21 pm  

Redscat wrote:

CC has now had about four seasons in charge; some of his coaching staff even longer, and we are still continuously scraping through by avoiding relegation more by good luck than good fortune.

I can't be bothered checking the exact stats but I would dispute that we have been "continuously scraping through" during Chester's tenure.

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Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:55 pm  

Redscat wrote:

In response, PT, I will continue supporting Trinity for as long as I possibly can and would love nothing more than to see them repeat the success of earlier times, which I was fortunate enough to witness (not as far back as 1908 though),, but what the heck has money and injuries got to do with the way we are currently playing and being coached. Or are you beginning to see yourself that more money would attract a better coach? as for changing coach every year I don't want to see that myself, but CC has now had about four seasons in charge; some of his coaching staff even longer, and we are still continuously scraping through by avoiding relegation more by good luck than good fortune. Are you genuinely happy to see substandard performances match after match, and going home disheartened after yet another poor display? OK, we have hammered some good teams, but sadly we have been on the wrong side of a hammering far more often. You appear to be the eternal optimist and no matter how bad we get your rhetoric would be the same.
I'm sure that we all want the same thing in the long run; a successful Wakefield Trinity

I find it hard to answer that because I think it's really clear that money and injuries make a massive difference.
If you can't pay as much as other clubs for players and coaching staff then either quality suffers or size of squad suffers
The fact we played a centre who although he has potential is probably 5th in line in the centre with a winger on debut and 2 training sessions and the other winger being a full back and part time half back tells you we are down on quality players.
If you could play our strongest back line we'd be better. It's as simple as that.
Same goes for forwards.

And as for the coach of course, if we had unlimited funds I'd have Ricky Stuart or Craig Bellamy..... But we haven't. So I'd rather stick with what we have for now.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:59 pm  

I suppose it doesn’t help when we are the only SL not to make a GF or CCF appearance in the SL era. We were in the same boat (or as good as) as Cas when they got to Wembley. Likewise we all think we are equal to Salford and they got to OT. Catalans winning the CC. It’s the hope that kills you.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:39 am  

Two good posts there Redders, I suppose you have the answer to the problem when people on here are saying the coach needs some help, for me surely that implies he's not up to the job, I don't blame the players at all apart from the off days from individuals sometimes, but it's the same old mistakes every time, at one stage I would have refuted your claim that Poptart was the eternal optimist and would have nominated myself for that mantle looking for every excuse when we got beat, you can use that same old chestnut all you want and blame the finances but that excuse only goes so far, there's clearly something going wrong, you pay yer money and yer make yer choice.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:27 am  

Not too bothered about the end result on Sunday although a win would be a bonus .Just want us to roll our sleeves up and have a dig and come off the field at the end knowing we’ve give our all .Following Trin all these years has never been about the glory or I’d have turned a whino years ago ,it’s been about the underdog battling hard against the odds and not rolling over for anyone .Its in there somewhere it just need to come out and Sunday would be a great time .

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:20 am  

Kettykat wrote:

Not too bothered about the end result on Sunday although a win would be a bonus .Just want us to roll our sleeves up and have a dig and come off the field at the end knowing we’ve give our all .Following Trin all these years has never been about the glory or I’d have turned a whino years ago ,it’s been about the underdog battling hard against the odds and not rolling over for anyone .Its in there somewhere it just need to come out and Sunday would be a great time .

Spare a thought then KK for us older ones who watched our great team when they were 'Top dogs"
Had brilliant players, coach and management, watched rugby league at it's brilliant fast flowing best (Of that era, of course!)
How it has hurt me and I'm sure many of my fellow old time supporters, to see us whimper down over the years to teams we used to thrash!
The difference between that era, and all the years since ? easy, we had a backer then, as all teams in SL have now except us.
(I say that tongue in cheek because I imagine MC and his colleagues have propped the club up financially on more than one occasion for which I am eternally grateful)
I was talking to the great Alex Murphy once who told me he HAD signed to come to Trinity in ther 1960's but a couple of days after our 'finance man' as he put it, died suddenly, and so did his transfer fee! Imagine that, the great AM playing for Trinity in that team!

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:38 am  

Kettykat wrote:

Not too bothered about the end result on Sunday although a win would be a bonus .Just want us to roll our sleeves up and have a dig and come off the field at the end knowing we’ve give our all .Following Trin all these years has never been about the glory or I’d have turned a whino years ago ,it’s been about the underdog battling hard against the odds and not rolling over for anyone .Its in there somewhere it just need to come out and Sunday would be a great time .

Go and wash your mouth out right now.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:31 am  

PopTart wrote:

I find it hard to answer that because I think it's really clear that money and injuries make a massive difference.
If you can't pay as much as other clubs for players and coaching staff then either quality suffers or size of squad suffers
The fact we played a centre who although he has potential is probably 5th in line in the centre with a winger on debut and 2 training sessions and the other winger being a full back and part time half back tells you we are down on quality players.
If you could play our strongest back line we'd be better. It's as simple as that.
Same goes for forwards.

And as for the coach of course, if we had unlimited funds I'd have Ricky Stuart or Craig Bellamy..... But we haven't. So I'd rather stick with what we have for now.

Did we not have a 'better' team out the week before when we lost 58-0? If you could play our strongest backline we'd be better? We had a stronger backline out the week before and lost 58-0......explanations as to why please???! Did we not have smaller, 'weaker' squads in quality in 2017& 2018, when we finished 5th? explanations as to why please?