Re: All Things New Stadium : Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:07 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

I don't want to sound ungrateful, particularly as I'm not a Wakefield council tax payer, but I can't shake this feeling that the £2 million offered per club wouldn't have happened if Cas were in their new ground. Weird that Cas get access to some upgrade cash just when Wakey are getting our stadium on the way to being sorted.

Or am I being too cynical?

I think it's a little bit the other way round.

It was common knowledge that WMDC had committed £2m to Trinity's development (I seem to remember it as drawing a loan against a WMDC asset e.g. a land parcel, or similar).

When Fev and Cas, perhaps rightly, made a bit of a fuss (and they did, privately, to WMDC), the council have 2 options:

1 withdraw the offer

2 find a a way to make the same offer to all 3 clubs.

It's absolutely right that WMDC (and the local taxpayer), should see what it is they are getting fir their community for the £2m.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:48 am  

Redscat wrote:

Don't be too hasty with the praise of the new leadership, vasty. Remember that the current incumbent. Ms Jeffrey, was a protege and close ally of Peter Box and represents a Castleford ward, I believe, as did her predecessor. Fingers crossed that this time it WILL happen.

I’ve met both, often.

Ones a politician and the other was whatever Box was.

However, I always felt Jeffrey wanted to do something even as far back as 2008 and tbf it seems she has. I'd go as far as to say it was her vanity project like the Hepworth was to Box. She was the driving force behind Thornes until Box pulled the rug, It's not my job to defend her but I can only go on what I saw.

Being a protege means nothing in politics as you know, Major was a Thatcher protege but was probably the nearest this country has ever got to a centrist PM. Look at Russia, the leader after Stalin immediately denounced him and Niki was his right haunt man.

You just can’t judge, it’s in the doing for me.

The verdict will come this time next year when the bulk of the work should be done.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:50 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

I don't want to sound ungrateful, particularly as I'm not a Wakefield council tax payer, but I can't shake this feeling that the £2 million offered per club wouldn't have happened if Cas were in their new ground. Weird that Cas get access to some upgrade cash just when Wakey are getting our stadium on the way to being sorted.

Or am I being too cynical?

If all comes to pass it is as dboy says very much the other way around.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:54 am  

dboy wrote:

I think it's a little bit the other way round.

It was common knowledge that WMDC had committed £2m to Trinity's development (I seem to remember it as drawing a loan against a WMDC asset e.g. a land parcel, or similar).

When Fev and Cas, perhaps rightly, made a bit of a fuss (and they did, privately, to WMDC), the council have 2 options:

1 withdraw the offer

2 find a a way to make the same offer to all 3 clubs.

It's absolutely right that WMDC (and the local taxpayer), should see what it is they are getting fir their community for the £2m.

It is and it isn’t. WMDC had far more of an obligation to Trinity than the others because they screwed up NM.

I’d suggest they couldn’t remove the 2 million from us for fear of legal action. Politically they had to support the others, nothing more imho.

Cas and Fev fans won’t like it but we were owed far more than them and still are imho.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:45 pm  

Just returned from Friday Lunch, Connor interview with big Dave and Lee Gaskell, followed after lunch by JM speaking mainly about the redevelopment. Still on for December 16 planning application, should be online for anyone wanting to watch. A decision on both applications expected same day, and if passed with a recommendation to proceed, there is a three week period when the SoS can intervene if necessary, that takes us to mid December. There will be further contracts discussions between Wakefield council, Trinity and the developers and no work on the plot 8 site until all contracts agreed and signed. The Monies raised by enabling fund and council grant, will be paid into a Council account JM estimates this will take a number of weeks therefore the East stand will still be in use February and March match days,, but we should expect bulldozers on-site by April, A 12 month build expected, so hopefully, the new stand ready by mid 2023. The west terrace is still being considered for redevelopment, but not in the immediate future. Obviously there’s no guarantees, but JM is confident this will now happen.

I hope I’ve got this all correct, but anyone who was at today’s lunch, please feel free to correct me.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:26 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Just returned from Friday Lunch, Connor interview with big Dave and Lee Gaskell, followed after lunch by JM speaking mainly about the redevelopment. Still on for December 16 planning application, should be online for anyone wanting to watch. A decision on both applications expected same day, and if passed with a recommendation to proceed, there is a three week period when the SoS can intervene if necessary, that takes us to mid December. There will be further contracts discussions between Wakefield council, Trinity and the developers and no work on the plot 8 site until all contracts agreed and signed. The Monies raised by enabling fund and council grant, will be paid into a Council account JM estimates this will take a number of weeks therefore the East stand will still be in use February and March match days,, but we should expect bulldozers on-site by April, A 12 month build expected, so hopefully, the new stand ready by mid 2023. The west terrace is still being considered for redevelopment, but not in the immediate future. Obviously there’s no guarantees, but JM is confident this will now happen.

I hope I’ve got this all correct, but anyone who was at today’s lunch, please feel free to correct me.

Just one correction it will take us to mid January, not December. Otherwise a good review of JM comments.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:23 pm  

wakeytrin wrote:

Just one correction it will take us to mid January, not December. Otherwise a good review of JM comments.

Quite right WT, I thought we were still in November, god, how time flys

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:39 pm  

vastman wrote:

I’ve met both, often.

Ones a politician and the other was whatever Box was.

However, I always felt Jeffrey wanted to do something even as far back as 2008 and tbf it seems she has. I'd go as far as to say it was her vanity project like the Hepworth was to Box. She was the driving force behind Thornes until Box pulled the rug, It's not my job to defend her but I can only go on what I saw.

Being a protege means nothing in politics as you know, Major was a Thatcher protege but was probably the nearest this country has ever got to a centrist PM. Look at Russia, the leader after Stalin immediately denounced him and Niki was his right haunt man.

You just can’t judge, it’s in the doing for me.

The verdict will come this time next year when the bulk of the work should be done.

Time will tell. I don't think we could survive another let down.

Re: All Things New Stadium : Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:23 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Time will tell. I don't think we could survive another let down.

Me neither, this is it.

Though I assume the 2 million is ours regardless of the rest?

Re: All Things New Stadium : Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:35 am  

wakeytrin wrote:

Just one correction it will take us to mid January, not December. Otherwise a good review of JM comments.

Something I forgot to mention that JM spoke about when asked about the 4G pitch. He seemed a bit ambiguous in his reply, I got the feeling the decision between plastic and grass has not yet been finalised, but the pitch will only be sorted, after the East Stand/North Stand building work is completed.