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Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:31 pm  

There is a bit of a scam going round on texts saying you need a covid passport and click the link to download.
Of course they ask for card details.

The app is free from android or apple store.
It's the NHS App from NHS Digital.

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:44 pm  

dboy wrote:

The govt has a duty to care for it's citizens, often when they don't think they need caring for - seat belts, helmets on motorbikes, clean air zones, emissions-based taxation systems - the list is endless.

None of the things you cite as personal choice affect me in the way covid will - if you are fat or drunk = I won't catch it from you.

You say the govt is responsible for the health care of the nation = big govt; but not responsible for health of the individual = small govt. It can't be both these things.

As an example, we blame the govt for under-resourcing care homes (which are all privately owned!), but want our own individual freedoms to be consequence-free.

Is govt responsible for us or not?

What are the consequences of me been unvaccinated effecting anyone around me. I'm less likely to spread it than anyone that's vaccinated. I had a bad dose of it in the Summer I already have natural Immunity and that does protect me and others around me more so than anyone thats not had it but is vaccinated. If natural immunity didn't work we would know about but no credible study has come out to show it doesn't.

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:54 pm  

coco the fullback wrote:

Hopefully, it will look different by the first round proper on the 13th February.

I just think it will put a lot off and an opening day fixture at home against Hull needs to be a bumper crowd.

Not sure it will, you have your season pass scanned on entry it will be or is no difference to when I have my Covid pass scanned.

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Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:12 pm  

deeHell wrote:

What are the consequences of me been unvaccinated effecting anyone around me. I'm less likely to spread it than anyone that's vaccinated. I had a bad dose of it in the Summer I already have natural Immunity and that does protect me and others around me more so than anyone thats not had it but is vaccinated. If natural immunity didn't work we would know about but no credible study has come out to show it doesn't.

But we are just as likely to pass it to you and as you are unvaxed you are more likely to be in hospital.

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:23 pm  

You should all find out how ,easy or hard it is with the Vaccine passport for the Leeds game on Boxing day .Please do not say it's a friendly so it does not count

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:24 pm  

deeHell wrote:

What are the consequences of me been unvaccinated effecting anyone around me. I'm less likely to spread it than anyone that's vaccinated. I had a bad dose of it in the Summer I already have natural Immunity and that does protect me and others around me more so than anyone thats not had it but is vaccinated. If natural immunity didn't work we would know about but no credible study has come out to show it doesn't.

Sorry, but you don't have natural immunity in the same way you don't against the latest version of the flu. All you have is immunity against the strain you had, one which may well have been superseded numerous times since. True you probably have an improved immunity but you're far from safe I'm afraid.

The fact that you had a 'bad dose' shows you're pre-disposed to the virus. Remember this is a virus that a third of people who have had it show no symptoms, they are the ones with the natural immunity, or at least so far. You are clearly not one of those.

Get vaccinated please. you are clearly at risk.

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:35 pm  

deeHell wrote:

What are the consequences of me been unvaccinated effecting anyone around me. I'm less likely to spread it than anyone that's vaccinated. I had a bad dose of it in the Summer I already have natural Immunity and that does protect me and others around me more so than anyone thats not had it but is vaccinated. If natural immunity didn't work we would know about but no credible study has come out to show it doesn't.

Sorry to rain on your parade a friend of mines daughter from East Yorkshire had Delta in the summer she now has omicron so think again about your immunity you will not have any in a couple of weeks by the looks of things.

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:08 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Sorry to rain on your parade a friend of mines daughter from East Yorkshire had Delta in the summer she now has omicron so think again about your immunity you will not have any in a couple of weeks by the looks of things.

Not how I understand it, being triple vaccinated does offer you protection against Omnicron in the same way it does against the others, ie it improves your bodies immune response giving you a much-improved ability to fight it off.

Omnicron so far doesn't appear more lethal, just more transmissible. So far we have been lucky in that none of the variants has been more deadly than the first, should the next mutation do this then we may be in bother as the time lapse between a revised vaccine to become available may be too long. Hence the semi lockdown.

Whatever, Covid remains a very scary beast.

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:13 pm  

vastman wrote:

Sorry, but you don't have natural immunity in the same way you don't against the latest version of the flu. All you have is immunity against the strain you had, one which may well have been superseded numerous times since. True you probably have an improved immunity but you're far from safe I'm afraid.

The fact that you had a 'bad dose' shows you're pre-disposed to the virus. Remember this is a virus that a third of people who have had it show no symptoms, they are the ones with the natural immunity, or at least so far. You are clearly not one of those.

Get vaccinated please. you are clearly at risk.

I'm sorry I don't except that at all while a new variant does leave me a little more exposed I have enough previous immunity to not suffer. The evidence from the Alpha to delta variant has to be the overriding factor here. The evidence just isn't there and I'm pretty sure they've tried to find it. I don't so why this should be different. If I thought I was any risk to myself and anyone around I wouldn't hesitate to my Jab.

Going back to my original question and considering the Government are going to soon start classing double jabbed as unvaccinated (it's turning into a subscription service) this has tom be a worry on how this will impact on gates?

Re: Vaccine Passports? : Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:37 pm  

I come in peace. Been reading this thread with interest and also wondered as to how they might be implemented.

This comes on the day that it appears the government website ran out of test kits apparently and with supply chains and actual contracts being what they are who knows what the availability of tests will actually be in the new year.

As regards capacity, it would be interesting to see how different grounds can/will interpret the rather odd rules. Will they simply go off total capacity, go off a general average of overall crowd, or is there scope to treat each stand as a separate entity?

Personally, logical fallacy or not, I'm not a fan of these types of measures in general, where they are heading or the division they are already clearly sewing and I too am waiting to buy my season ticket based on what will be invoked.