Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:41 pm  

I said it when he got the job and I stick by it: never appoint the assistant who got the benefit of a post-sacking bounce. We did it in 2005 with Tony Smith and he almost took us down the year after. We did it with Webster, who had a post-sacking bounce. I cannot think of a single Super League example of a former assistant who stepped in after the previous head-coach was sacked and who went on to do well. It's because you have the same-old same-old. I just hoped I was wrong. Some people are meant to be assistants. Willie is one, as he always has been.

I don't think he's helped by his squad, who are too old and jaded, probably as sick of it all as we are, but I think that is partly to do with the increased success of the NRL. All the best English players head there and now no decent Aussies come over, so the top clubs get the best of the rest and we get glorified Championship players. There are players at some of the top clubs who would never have got in them fifteen years ago, and maybe would have ended up with us.

But the promoted assistant was a disaster waiting to happen, and now the disaster is happening. We are one Toulouse win away from relegation.

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:44 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Sorry Mopsey but your adding weight to Vastmans argument.

We won Hull and Wire. Batch was instrumental in both at right centre. Poching rung the changes in a back to back winning team by moving Batch to the middle and the players replacing him went on to leak try’s for fun and right edge defence fell to bits. That was Poching choice to tinker with a winning team and he fluffed it up.

Same with Crowther. He admitted himself last year he isn’t a 9. It appears in Pochings grand plan to start Batch at 13 Crowther is being made into our interchange 9. A role that he struggled with and is struggling with again. Crowther was playing well at 13.

Why Poching is making decisions like this just confuses the heck out of me.

no I'm not adding weight but one win and peoples opinions change and suddenly become the best thing since sliced bread. The fans have accepted mediocrity for years and will carry on doing so, nothing will change, nothing ever does

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:00 pm  

Luppylad wrote:

Cant put it all on fifita yes what he did was stupid but we as a team should be able to cope for 10 mins with 12 .also what buttler did was just as bad if not worse.there was loads of errors that led to it

I get what you’re saying but there was only a few secs on the clock when Fifita did what he did ! not even 10 secs I believe . We were on the back foot from the kick off 2nd half ! Butlers was reckless and as stupid but it happens … Fifitas was the most stupid/dumb play …. . Once the gap was there our already weak side .. Croft /Evans we’re grasping at fresh air . We had it won … just criminal … couldn’t wait to get out of the ground and come home . !

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:04 pm  

Also to say Arona is retiring we are a much weaker team in defence and attack when he’s not on the park ! We are in a lot of trouble and I honestly can’t see us escaping with the current set up ! We are just not good enough …

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:50 pm  

Well some on here blamed our demise on Chester and now it's Poching who can't coach what a sorry state we are in.Fifita getting stick for getting binned which was a silly rush of blood to the head. But imo Fifita was playing Toulouse on his own when he got back on. His effort and work rate was relentless. We have to realise the buck stops with the man at the top and he has to sort out the problem on the pitch or else we will have a new refurbished stadium with nobody in it.

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:04 pm  

Teltry wrote:

Well some on here blamed our demise on Chester and now it's Poching who can't coach what a sorry state we are in.Fifita getting stick for getting binned which was a silly rush of blood to the head. But imo Fifita was playing Toulouse on his own when he got back on. His effort and work rate was relentless. We have to realise the buck stops with the man at the top and he has to sort out the problem on the pitch or else we will have a new refurbished stadium with nobody in it.

Yeah, but the damage had been done by then, he had already shot us in the foot and we never recovered...it gave Toulouse the sniff of blood that they needed and the rest is history. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Dave (hence my avatar), but we were in total control of that game right up to that point and then Dave popped our balloon

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:07 pm  

FIL wrote:

Yeah, but the damage had been done by then, he had already shot us in the foot and we never recovered...it gave Toulouse the sniff of blood that they needed and the rest is history. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Dave (hence my avatar), but we were in total control of that game right up to that point and then Dave popped our balloon

Dave wasnt the lad giving away sets of 6 and missing tackles in that time or they didnt do the damage with overlaps 1 man doesnt make that much of a difference look at barrow and halifax the other week when fax won playing 11 v 13

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:14 pm  

I may be incorrect but did WP not state prior to today’s game that the performance is far more important than the result. I am not a coach but no it is not because one will usually result in the other.

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:16 pm  

Teltry wrote:

Well some on here blamed our demise on Chester and now it's Poching who can't coach what a sorry state we are in.Fifita getting stick for getting binned which was a silly rush of blood to the head. But imo Fifita was playing Toulouse on his own when he got back on. His effort and work rate was relentless. We have to realise the buck stops with the man at the top and he has to sort out the problem on the pitch or else we will have a new refurbished stadium with nobody in it.

For me, the demise is not on Poching, or Chester,but Carter.

Yes, the blame will surely lay at Poching, but most of these are Chesters players, but Chester should have gone a long time before he did.

I said at the time it would take time for Poching to turn things around.

It's cultures that need to change from the top, down

Re: Poching cant coach : Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:20 pm  

I honestly think that Poaching fitted in to the club slot.
He like Chester will not cause a fuss and that's exactly what MC needed.
Anyway who cares the club will never achieve anything under the present regime. Stuff it.