Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:52 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Sorry to have a go at you PT, but you really have made a rod for your own back with your perennial optimism. It doesn't make anyone who's a realist any less of a fan of Trinity for being so.
I can understand your depression. I'm depressed too, but as words of comfort, hopefully, I can tell you that having been a supporter of WT for 66 years and also a season ticket holder of Barnsley FC for many years in that time I've seen both clubs relegated many times, and whilst the initial feelings of realisation that you are going down isn't very nice, it's amazing how quickly you begin to adapt to the new life supporting a club in a lower division. For a start you can attend a game with optimism (you'll like that), in the knowledge that you might even win a game and not be resigned to yet another defeat. I've noticed that the style of football is more free and easy, and watching a game in a lower division is even more enjoyable than the intensity of Superleague or Premier League. Also, the experience of winning promotion is a great feeling.
Perhaps if you do continue to watch Trinity in the coming season ( which I'm sure you will), it's not all doom and gloom, but there again there's no room for those permanent. rose-coloured glasses.

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:23 pm  

1315trinity wrote:

How do you know WP was a cheap option?
Chester bit ok he should gave gone sooner.
Sorry but what’s Evans done wrong?
Nothing.
The coaches and players are to blame for our predicament. Some of them are not bothered.
But even if we’re relegated I will support them - will you?

Well if Poching wasn't cheap it makes MC/JM look incompetent - why on earth would you pay "Head Coach" money for a UK based assistant coach?
I haven't criticised Evans,its an observation of the type of players the budget allowed Poching to look at.Weve basically been shopping on Ebay hoping we pick up an absolute bargain.This is the budget that MC left Poching with after backing Chester for too long.
Carter knew what the playing budget was for this season (my word he told us often enough how reduced it was),so in my opinion it was a disaster waiting to happen putting an inexperienced /untested head coach in charge of a squad lacking in depth and quality.
Why is it relevant if i would continue to support them ?
For the record - yes i will, the club will be here long after MC /JM have departed.

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:30 pm  

Poching was either the cheap option or he wasn’t.

If he was, it’s poor judgement that sealed relegation, when you think of the money wasted on poor players that could have gone to a quality coach.

If he wasn’t, it’s even worse judgement, as he was always going to take us down. If that happens at a higher price, then that’s inexplicable.

Our fate was sealed the moment he was offered the contract. I feared it then and said so, butwanted dearly to be proved wrong.

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:39 pm  

I don’t want it to seem like i don’t like Poching. I’ve fond memories of him in his playing days for us.

Something is clearly not working at the moment. Poching may be up for the fight but I hope the players are too. We need to find a way to fight through this.

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:06 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Sorry to have a go at you PT, but you really have made a rod for your own back with your perennial optimism. It doesn't make anyone who's a realist any less of a fan of Trinity for being so.
I can understand your depression. I'm depressed too, but as words of comfort, hopefully, I can tell you that having been a supporter of WT for 66 years and also a season ticket holder of Barnsley FC for many years in that time I've seen both clubs relegated many times, and whilst the initial feelings of realisation that you are going down isn't very nice, it's amazing how quickly you begin to adapt to the new life supporting a club in a lower division. For a start you can attend a game with optimism (you'll like that), in the knowledge that you might even win a game and not be resigned to yet another defeat. I've noticed that the style of football is more free and easy, and watching a game in a lower division is even more enjoyable than the intensity of Superleague or Premier League. Also, the experience of winning promotion is a great feeling.
Perhaps if you do continue to watch Trinity in the coming season ( which I'm sure you will), it's not all doom and gloom, but there again there's no room for those permanent. rose-coloured glasses.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with perennial optimism… it’s the thing that facilitates my getting up every morning… opening my emails each day… reading the news… watching (or as t has been for most of this season… listening to games in the middle of the night) my team play sport… looking at my grandkids growing up… watching my wife recover from neurosurgery… perennial optimism has kept me going in the hardest of times!

Much of the rest of your post makes sense… but to isolate and bully someone because they are optimistic… sorry mate that’s not on!

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:23 pm  

Spookisback wrote:

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with perennial optimism… it’s the thing that facilitates my getting up every morning… opening my emails each day… reading the news… watching (or as t has been for most of this season… listening to games in the middle of the night) my team play sport… looking at my grandkids growing up… watching my wife recover from neurosurgery… perennial optimism has kept me going in the hardest of times!

Much of the rest of your post makes sense… but to isolate and bully someone because they are optimistic… sorry mate that’s not on!

Of course there's room for optimism, Spooki, and I'm glad that you've had a lot of good luck and nice things happen in your life that have made you so, but there'e "optimism" ie "hope" and there's that other type of optomism that could just as easily be termed "in denial". There are one or two posters on here that fall into the latter category and despite all the negative evidence put before them still cannot accept the truth and I'm afraid Pop Tart, historically falls into that type. as Trinity fans we all "hope" that they will do well, and, particularly this season, will escape the drop, but realistically it seems to all realists that it is unlikely that we will survive.
I can categorically state that I'm not a bully, and I'm sure that PT and others of that ilk can take a little friendly mickey taking. Bullying is a very strong term and should not be used lightly!!!

[PopTart]

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:11 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Of course there's room for optimism, Spooki, and I'm glad that you've had a lot of good luck and nice things happen in your life that have made you so, but there'e "optimism" ie "hope" and there's that other type of optomism that could just as easily be termed "in denial". There are one or two posters on here that fall into the latter category and despite all the negative evidence put before them still cannot accept the truth and I'm afraid Pop Tart, historically falls into that type. as Trinity fans we all "hope" that they will do well, and, particularly this season, will escape the drop, but realistically it seems to all realists that it is unlikely that we will survive.
I can categorically state that I'm not a bully, and I'm sure that PT and others of that ilk can take a little friendly mickey taking. Bullying is a very strong term and should not be used lightly!!!

Don't worry, I don't feel bullied.
Patronised maybe.

You mix up denial with fact checking.
I've clearly said when I see things that are wrong, however I don't like the pile on from the posters who only post when things are going wrong.....and just make things up in hindsight just to look like they know something. They clearly don't.
Or just ignore the fact that no one has credible alternatives but blames the club for their decisions.

No one goes out there to lose a game. All this slagging off players, and coach and board is sometimes by people who are upset and sometimes by people who don't care about the club and just enjoy putting people down. And I hate that.

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:34 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Don't worry, I don't feel bullied.
Patronised maybe.

You mix up denial with fact checking.
I've clearly said when I see things that are wrong, however I don't like the pile on from the posters who only post when things are going wrong.....and just make things up in hindsight just to look like they know something. They clearly don't.
Or just ignore the fact that no one has credible alternatives but blames the club for their decisions.

No one goes out there to lose a game. All this slagging off players, and coach and board is sometimes by people who are upset and sometimes by people who don't care about the club and just enjoy putting people down. And I hate that.

By and large I agree with what you say. I'm not one who only posts only when things are going wrong. Ninety per cent of my posts on here tend to be light-hearted or mickey taking and nostalgic points re matches and players long gone. I tend to not get involved in slagging players, coaches or directors, and technical matters of the game. I leave the latter to those who like to analyse tactics etc. I just go along and watch the game. After watching WT for 66 years I thing it goes without saying that I DO care for the club.

Re: Poching : Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:45 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Don't worry, I don't feel bullied.
Patronised maybe.

You mix up denial with fact checking.
I've clearly said when I see things that are wrong, however I don't like the pile on from the posters who only post when things are going wrong.....and just make things up in hindsight just to look like they know something. They clearly don't.
Or just ignore the fact that no one has credible alternatives but blames the club for their decisions.

No one goes out there to lose a game. All this slagging off players, and coach and board is sometimes by people who are upset and sometimes by people who don't care about the club and just enjoy putting people down. And I hate that.

The problem is they are going wrong the majority of the time and you don’t need hindsight just look at our last few seasons. I am sure they do not go out to lose but they do even when the circumstances are in our favour,
I am angry because we need not be in this position but I am not seeing anything that’s going to change it.
I wonder if those running the club have the inclination or finances to get us out of the championship if we are relegated.

[Wildthing]

Re: Poching : Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:26 am  

PT and anyone else who went to KR yesterday have my upmost respect. I gave up on away games a while back.
They are at least doing their bit to try and support the team through an horrendous time, I salute them.