Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:28 pm  

League placing according to yorkshire Live.
Thoughts?

IMG's criteria reveal has provided fresh insight into the grading process, with on-field performance still a major part of the equation. Five key criteria will determine the scores of all 36 clubs, with results on the pitch counting for 25 per cent of a club's overall score.

The criteria has confirmed clubs will be ranked 1-36 based on their performances over a three-season period. The score will be determined via league positions and trophy wins from the most recent season.

Taking that theory into account, we decided to crunch the numbers and figure out how the league table will look based on the current three seasons. That did provide some challenges given the curtailed 2020 season for Championship and League 1, meaning 2019 results were instead taken into account for this sample. Of course, the results from that season will be irrelevant when the real grading system comes into play.
The other uncertainty comes around the play-offs and whether a club's performance in them determines their 'league position' or where they finished in the regular season. As an example, Leeds finished fifth last year but made the Grand Final, which would align with finishing second. For this sample, it has been based on league position only.

Unsurprisingly, St Helens come out on top having won three Grand Finals, a Challenge Cup and two League Leaders' Shields in that time. Closely behind are the three other clubs to win trophies in the past three seasons, Wigan Warriors, Catalans Dragons and Leeds Rhinos. Despite their shocking 2022 campaign, Warrington are fifth. At the other end of Super League, Wakefield are eleventh and Leigh thirteenth, though their score is hampered by the fact they finished fourth in the Championship in 2019. Toulouse are in between them.

Championship outfit Keighley, who have been the largest dissenting voice to the grading system, are in 32nd place, punished largely for finishing next to bottom of League 1 in 2019.

A full 36-team league table based on IMG's on-field grading criteria

1 St Helens
2 Wigan Warriors
3 Catalans Dragons
4 Leeds Rhinos
5 Warrington Wolves
6 Huddersfield Giants
7 Castleford Tigers
8 Hull FC
9 Hull KR
10 Salford Red Devils
11 Wakefield Trinity
12 Toulouse Olympique
13 Leigh Leopards
14 Featherstone Rovers
15 Halifax Panthers
16 London Broncos
17 York Knights
18 Batley Bulldogs
19 Bradford Bulls
20 Sheffield Eagles
21 Widnes Vikings
22 Whitehaven
23 Barrow Raiders
24 Dewsbury Rams
25 Newcastle Thunder
26 Swinton Lions
27 Workington Town
28 Oldham
29 Rochdale Hornets
30 North Wales Crusaders
31 Doncaster
32 Keighley Cougars
33 Hunslet
34 Midlands Hurricanes
35 London Skolars
36 Cornwall

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:01 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote: That's all well and good but where do think the game will actually thrive? London? Been there York or Newcastle? Would they have a good enough team or just end up with players from the relegated clubs? Bradford? Not financially secure... Cumbria? A team would be good from there, I'll grant you that, but is that feasible? The talk about location areas is a clear indication that they want to remove teams within that certain area, like us, cas and fev. But no mention of the closeness - albeit different cities of Leeds & Bradford. And what about Hull? I would like to see teams penalised points for sharing football grounds in the criteria... I mean we could play at Barnsley FC, which would make us a better proposition. Speaking of Hull I see that we have a new RFL Chief Exec..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/64962394 He worked for Hull FC for 13 years and "assisted" IMG in the plans for moving forward.... Hmmm... I also understand IMG are helping us find a new Chief Executive

BarnsleyGull wrote: That's all well and good but where do think the game will actually thrive? London? Been there York or Newcastle? Would they have a good enough team or just end up with players from the relegated clubs? Bradford? Not financially secure... Cumbria? A team would be good from there, I'll grant you that, but is that feasible? The talk about location areas is a clear indication that they want to remove teams within that certain area, like us, cas and fev. But no mention of the closeness - albeit different cities of Leeds & Bradford. And what about Hull? I would like to see teams penalised points for sharing football grounds in the criteria... I mean we could play at Barnsley FC, which would make us a better proposition. Speaking of Hull I see that we have a new RFL Chief Exec..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/64962394 He worked for Hull FC for 13 years and "assisted" IMG in the plans for moving forward.... Hmmm... I also understand IMG are helping us find a new Chief Executive

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:12 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote: That's all well and good but where do think the game will actually thrive? London? Been there York or Newcastle? Would they have a good enough team or just end up with players from the relegated clubs? Bradford? Not financially secure... Cumbria? A team would be good from there, I'll grant you that, but is that feasible? The talk about location areas is a clear indication that they want to remove teams within that certain area, like us, cas and fev. But no mention of the closeness - albeit different cities of Leeds & Bradford. And what about Hull? I would like to see teams penalised points for sharing football grounds in the criteria... I mean we could play at Barnsley FC, which would make us a better proposition. Speaking of Hull I see that we have a new RFL Chief Exec..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/64962394 He worked for Hull FC for 13 years and "assisted" IMG in the plans for moving forward.... Hmmm... I agree, in part, but I suppose it depends on your perspective. London, for example, didn't fill the terraces or travel well, but they did well in developing the game in the south and were competitive occasionally. My own view is that there is nothing wrong with strong heartland teams. For example, I follow baseball and support the Red Sox, and have even travelled to see them now and again. Would I go watch the Wakefield Red Sox? No. I enjoy the matches in the elite competition. On that analogy, I suspect the southern supporters have their favourite northern team. I was walking to the Saints game a few years ago (I think it was the first year in their new stadium, when we beat them), and I was chatting to a Londoner who had travelled up because he's a Saints fan. The press will always ignore us, because we are not rugby union, but it shouldn't be measured by column inches. Yes, expansion should always be an aim, but it would be great to see the Grand Final full every year, and Wembley even. I'd be happy with full northern grounds every week and plenty of grassroots involvement, with enough money to retain stars and maybe even attract a few more Aussie big names.

BarnsleyGull wrote: That's all well and good but where do think the game will actually thrive? London? Been there York or Newcastle? Would they have a good enough team or just end up with players from the relegated clubs? Bradford? Not financially secure... Cumbria? A team would be good from there, I'll grant you that, but is that feasible? The talk about location areas is a clear indication that they want to remove teams within that certain area, like us, cas and fev. But no mention of the closeness - albeit different cities of Leeds & Bradford. And what about Hull? I would like to see teams penalised points for sharing football grounds in the criteria... I mean we could play at Barnsley FC, which would make us a better proposition. Speaking of Hull I see that we have a new RFL Chief Exec..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/64962394 He worked for Hull FC for 13 years and "assisted" IMG in the plans for moving forward.... Hmmm... I agree, in part, but I suppose it depends on your perspective. London, for example, didn't fill the terraces or travel well, but they did well in developing the game in the south and were competitive occasionally. My own view is that there is nothing wrong with strong heartland teams. For example, I follow baseball and support the Red Sox, and have even travelled to see them now and again. Would I go watch the Wakefield Red Sox? No. I enjoy the matches in the elite competition. On that analogy, I suspect the southern supporters have their favourite northern team. I was walking to the Saints game a few years ago (I think it was the first year in their new stadium, when we beat them), and I was chatting to a Londoner who had travelled up because he's a Saints fan. The press will always ignore us, because we are not rugby union, but it shouldn't be measured by column inches. Yes, expansion should always be an aim, but it would be great to see the Grand Final full every year, and Wembley even. I'd be happy with full northern grounds every week and plenty of grassroots involvement, with enough money to retain stars and maybe even attract a few more Aussie big names.

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:02 am  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEPGiC4CNE Interesting conversation here with the Keighley owners and I've got to say I largely agree with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEPGiC4CNE Interesting conversation here with the Keighley owners and I've got to say I largely agree with them.

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:13 am  

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEPGiC4CNE

Interesting conversation here with the Keighley owners and I've got to say I largely agree with them.

Excellent video, I’m even more convinced now more than previously that IMG are manipulating the system to suit a certain agenda. The 2 Keighley owners have given us an insight and a reason to why the game will eventually die if these proposals are passed.
I hope all the fans watch this video, I think most will agree with the comments given.

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:50 am  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Excellent video, I’m even more convinced now more than previously that IMG are manipulating the system to suit a certain agenda. The 2 Keighley owners have given us an insight and a reason to why the game will eventually die if these proposals are passed.
I hope all the fans watch this video, I think most will agree with the comments given.

Yes watched it myself, I have never heard of these two guys but they seemed two genuine blokes trying their best for their club. They do make some very valid points and I tend to agree with them mostly.
I think this IMG plan will all be long forgotten in 5 or 6 years and someone will be thinking of further new ways to reinvent the Rugby League wheel.

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:58 am  

Not watched the video yet, but said from the outset that they can set the criteria to suit who they want inSL.

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:23 pm  

Well I couldn’t have put it any better myself. Have been saying this myself. Why is it that rugby league has an inbuilt self destruct set as default mode. Right back to the BARLA fiasco when people who promoted and run the amateur level for no more than the game itself were pushed out as it wasn’t in keeping anymore.
Through to the new super league and the the new style of your face has to fit!!!
Every club owner should listen to this and take a deep long look at their souls and decide is this what they want their legacy to the game to be???
I wish these two could be running the RFL, they seem to stand for everything that I personally believe and seem to have a really good grasp of what the sport is and where it should go.
Well done for speaking up against the tide.

Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:58 pm  

I'm convinced it is a fait accompli and at best only one of us, Cas & Fev will make the cut if any of us do at all. I have no doubt they will target expansion sides in some kind of far-fetched claim of world domination which will fill the spots of many of the traditional teams and on the back of that will spell the death knell of many of those clubs. I have no confidence that the scores won't be fudged to suit and the top league will become a closed shop soon enough with those inside at that time creaming all the funds and leaving the rest to rot. They probably would quite like some of the current clubs to merge to be honest.....

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Re: IMG Announce Proposed Criteria for Super League 2025 : Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:08 pm  

Honestly, I don't get the chip on the shoulder.
Criteria is the same for everyone. We need to work hard to get it.