Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:31 pm  

1315trinity wrote:

Think I’ll leave it to the coaches.
They know better than anyone what contribution he makes to the team.
I agree his early form was disappointing, but like a lot more, he’s stepped up recently.
I agree with Redscat - if his form from now is good enough he may be worth another year.

You could be right about leaving it to the coaches, funny since Ford left we have had this turn around from a drab team to a team who look interested As far as Procter is concerned ,think with the pack going forward as they are, do not think there is room for Proctor and J C in the team as tackling is the strong point of both players.If both in the team will put too much work load on a aging pack to go forward. So some interesting decions for the coach to make when players fit

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:38 am  

Hope not the guys shot,came over to visit europe and has, only we were dumb enough to sanction it.How fans back these players is beyond me complete waste of a quota spot.Blowing after 5 mins,form picked up a bit at contract time fancies another year at butlins. Lino 3 years best kicker in league the other season now dosen't kick or wont play hooker,we're fighting for our lives here.Learn our lesson AGAIN! get a experinced dor and a coach who wont stand for letting em get away with the apathy thats killing this great club.Thank god dave came back but he needs assistance euphoria only lasts so long.

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:15 am  

I dont see the sense in keeping Proctor and releasing Crowther (who we we dont seem to hear about injury wise) who offers far more in effort and age.

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Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:31 am  

Proctor definitely isn't the guy he was or even expected but Crowther isn't the answer either.
His effort is 100% but his skill level is much lower than Proctor.
If we kept him he'd be a decent squad player. If he is going to Cas as is rumoured, then I won't cry about it.

If we want to push on, we need a 13 who can tackle but also make yards.

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:40 am  

Kurt Mann at 13 would be class. Apparently he’s heading over here.

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:59 pm  

Would be happy with him but it looks like it's for the '24 season onwards... https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... r-27304226

Would be happy with him but it looks like it's for the '24 season onwards... https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... r-27304226

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:20 pm  

PT I can't quote your comment for some reason, but you must have been seeing something different in Proctor to suggest Crowther's skill level is much lower. Which skills are you referring to? In terms of yardage, they're the same player with neither making enough meters (although I would imagine JC will put his hand up much more than KP does).

JC offers more as he can cover dummy half, which Proctor clearly could not as it would take him twenty minutes to stand up straight after passing the ball. I would also say he's much fitter, as KP is generally on the sidelines or kneeling down for a breather.

I also don't think JC is the answer at 13, but would have him as a squad player. Objectively speaking, he offers so much more than Proctor. Nothing against KP I think he tries but he physically cannot play to this level anymore. We need so much more from a quota spot and high earner.

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:04 am  

RWB wrote:

PT I can't quote your comment for some reason, but you must have been seeing something different in Proctor to suggest Crowther's skill level is much lower. Which skills are you referring to? In terms of yardage, they're the same player with neither making enough meters (although I would imagine JC will put his hand up much more than KP does).

JC offers more as he can cover dummy half, which Proctor clearly could not as it would take him twenty minutes to stand up straight after passing the ball. I would also say he's much fitter, as KP is generally on the sidelines or kneeling down for a breather.

I also don't think JC is the answer at 13, but would have him as a squad player. Objectively speaking, he offers so much more than Proctor. Nothing against KP I think he tries but he physically cannot play to this level anymore. We need so much more from a quota spot and high earner.

Agree with all this, and is probably the reasons he wants away, and I can't blame him, he was deemed good enough to be named vice captain at the start of the season.

Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:14 am  

lifelongfan wrote:

Agree with all this, and is probably the reasons he wants away, and I can't blame him, he was deemed good enough to be named vice captain at the start of the season.

I’m a massive advocate for developing youth and having a homegrown team but the reality is that Crowther main attribute is effort and fitness.

He’s not developed as he should and would at best be a squad player.

His main let down is he lacks a pair of hands and doesn’t offer a link up in plays. Passing moves which are meant to go pitch width often got to Crowther who put his nose down and drove it in. Which would be fine if he was an effective runner.

Also people say he’s good in defence but I don’t see that at all. He’s been bumped off not being strong enough in defence when I’ve watched him.

He’s one that could become a decent SL 13 over the next 5 years but his game needs alot of work vs to get there.

If he plays he will 100% get my support ofcourse but we need more at 13.

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Re: Kevin Proctor Staying On : Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:08 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

I’m a massive advocate for developing youth and having a homegrown team but the reality is that Crowther main attribute is effort and fitness.

He’s not developed as he should and would at best be a squad player.

His main let down is he lacks a pair of hands and doesn’t offer a link up in plays. Passing moves which are meant to go pitch width often got to Crowther who put his nose down and drove it in. Which would be fine if he was an effective runner.

Also people say he’s good in defence but I don’t see that at all. He’s been bumped off not being strong enough in defence when I’ve watched him.

He’s one that could become a decent SL 13 over the next 5 years but his game needs alot of work vs to get there.

If he plays he will 100% get my support ofcourse but we need more at 13.

That's the bit I don't get. You say he can't pass and has no running game and even say he misses tackles but then say he might develop into a good 13?

In answer to the question about Proctor. He is clearly having a problem with fitness but he has a good pass and not only never misses a tackle but clear hurts opponents when he hits them.
I'd like him to do more minutes and make more yards but ultimately he is a second row playing as a middle.....and clearly, his lack of fitness is why he's at Wakefield not NRL.
I wouldn't renew but he clearly has more skills than Crowthervto me.