Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:33 pm  

Hard to argue with any of that, PT

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:26 pm  

That squad that was Assembled may not have been the best in super league but should have been far more competitive than our results have shown . The standard of rugby has been nothing short of embarrassing from start to finish .For me mash gets the blame for the outstandingly poor game plans and the one out rugby that is so easily defended against , the players for their poor standards which never got better the longer the season went on and finally our leaders for not swallowing their pride and at times arrogance and not wielding the axe on coach and players earlier to prevent this catastrophe. At the same time I feel an overwhelming sense of relief after the final whistle and not sadness , as the club will move on from this and hopefully learn big lessons and come back stronger and not be perennial wooden spooners

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Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:18 pm  

Kettykat wrote:

That squad that was Assembled may not have been the best in super league but should have been far more competitive than our results have shown . The standard of rugby has been nothing short of embarrassing from start to finish .For me mash gets the blame for the outstandingly poor game plans and the one out rugby that is so easily defended against , the players for their poor standards which never got better the longer the season went on and finally our leaders for not swallowing their pride and at times arrogance and not wielding the axe on coach and players earlier to prevent this catastrophe. At the same time I feel an overwhelming sense of relief after the final whistle and not sadness , as the club will move on from this and hopefully learn big lessons and come back stronger and not be perennial wooden spooners

But that's the problem.
The squad on paper was OK but big players weren't available for much of it like Jowitt and Tanginoa and some just didn't perform like Proctor and Atoni.
That isn't Mash.

He has other things to carry blame for but no coach can solve those two things and for a team with small squad like ours, that is massive.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:36 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

He shouldn’t get personal abuse, and unless he himself has made it personal by his words and actions on the platforms available and used by him then there’s no justification for it.

That said I’ve never seen any personal abuse aimed at him, yes I’ve seen heavy criticism of him and some harsh assessments of his personality traits but nothing that borders on abuse, unless your going by the modern day definition where wearing the wrong coloured tie can be termed abusive.

What I have seen is comments by Carter saying he’s had personal abuse and if true it’s out of order but I’ve never seen it or any proof of it other than Carters own comments

Nobody should be subject to personal abuse, in any way.

However, vast majority I've seen is criticism and not what I'd class as abuse.

I have actually been reading some old posts, and an ex poster on here wasn't slow either, so some of it maybe tit for tat

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:37 pm  

PopTart wrote:

But that's the problem.
The squad on paper was OK but big players weren't available for much of it like Jowitt and Tanginoa and some just didn't perform like Proctor and Atoni.
That isn't Mash.

He has other things to carry blame for but no coach can solve those two things and for a team with small squad like ours, that is massive.

Unfortunately the book does stop with Applegarth, whether that be fair or not.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:50 pm  

Pat Bateman wrote:

Unfortunately the book does stop with Applegarth, whether that be fair or not.

I'd go with that the book does stop with the coach, he puts them out to play a certain way if they can't it's down to him and as for injuries all teams get them, adapt and change the style of play. The book stops with ceo and the rest of the board for the rest of the shambles

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 6:06 pm  

Mash knew what was install for him regarding the difficulty of the job, huge player turnover and limited funds. You wouldn’t take the job if you weren’t confident in your coaching ability as this could be his only chance as a head coach. Poor recruitment and selecting inconsistent players consistently is a major factor. Proctor should of been left to rot in the stands for the majority of the year. We have had a lot of injuries especially to our spine, but does that justify our record nillings and just pure crap we have dished out.

Would another coach of saved us, we’ll never know but Cas chanced their arm 3 times and it looks like it’s saved them. Would cas of best Hull FC the way they did 2 month ago, I doubt it.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:45 pm  

Apologies for pedant mode but:

It's the buck as in the US Dollar.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:27 pm  

i'm not one for constantly slagging of the club owners - I doubt whether most of the comments made about them on here are accurate BUT there in little doubt in my mind that MA should have walked a long time ago.
We have no attacking flair, and haven't had for 90% of the games.
Our rugby is unattractive to the point of boring. Team selection is puzzling and it was blatantly obvious midway through the season that a new approach was needed.
Well we've paid the ultimate price and anyone who thinks we still have a chance of staying up is deluded.
I have to agree that the decision not to replace MA lies with the BOD.
It may have cost money to pay him off, but the price not relieve him of his duties, will be much higher I fear.

Re: Thank you Mr Applegarth : Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:53 pm  

PopTart wrote:

But that's the problem.
The squad on paper was OK but big players weren't available for much of it like Jowitt and Tanginoa and some just didn't perform like Proctor and Atoni.
That isn't Mash.

He has other things to carry blame for but no coach can solve those two things and for a team with small squad like ours, that is massive.

Persistently play Proctor when it was obvious that he was not performing was surely down to Mash and similarly with Atoni. What do we have an A team for?