Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:15 pm  

ambernotyeller wrote:

Off topic slightly, I am surprised to see that a few of you are equally surprised to see that politicians tell lies, thats just a fact of life

5/6 posts and you've made more sense than the rest of us

Council and the wasting of money. : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:16 pm  

After reading the Express Mr Box refuses to put 2 million pound into each development I find this extremely harsh. Both developments will help communities a great deal and help the region with there developments i.e. both clubs and each development will create so many jobs to the areas. Just think what the council have spent stupid money on over the years they spent 7 million on that awful market stall next to the bus station thats ruined most of the market traders trade, god knows how many million on the bridge in CAS and now they are saying 2 million for each development isn't possible I think its disgusting personally both developments will bring more positives than negatives. ITS APPAULING AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A RE-THINK !

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:16 pm  

Wrencat wrote:

Everyone is going on about a shared ground,how long before the RFL come up with the bright idea of a shared team at the shared ground ?

Not long pal, not long at all.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:17 pm  

The timing of this stinks and can lead to no other conclusion than Box’s manipulation of the circumstances to achieve his own ends.

The press release has been released, by Box, in spite of an agreement not to do so without the full knowledge and approval of all parties. It has been released immediately before the most important derby game since the £1M relegation match.
The threat to withdraw the loaned land in Sept also coincides with the WMDC’s planning delay for Newmarket and threatens to throw a spanner in the works for both clubs SL franchise applications at just the WRONG time for the clubs.
COINCIDENCE?

Castleford make much of the Outline PP that was granted a few years ago but that is close to expiration and is worth nothing in light of Castleford’s lack of funding. Also, if Surfworld are being relied on to build one stand as part of their facility then no such stand can be built until they gain Full PP for their development. As I type they have not even confirmed their intention to build in Castleford let alone begin feasibility studies etc..

If the value of the WMDC land is just £2M then it is quite possible that York Court and the WCT can proceed without it. If the land is being used as an asset upon which to borrow money during the early stages of the Newmarket project in the lead up to gaining Full PP then surely the granting of Full PP will negate the need for this land and WMDC can take it back.

Someone in authority should make it known that a full review of WMDCs actions over the last 5 years will be undertaken by an independent legal team. If WMDC or any of its representatives are found to have acted inappropriately then legal action should be taken to recover any financial losses incurred by York Court, Wakefield Trinity and any other parties involved.

Further to this, a full and independent review of Peter Box’s involvement coupled with an immediate call for his resignation due to his incompetent leadership and handling of WMDCs affairs in relation to its leisure facilities.
Let’s not forget that Wakefield placed at the BOTTOM of an official Government league table in terms of leisure and sporting amenities. One legacy of that is Obesity in Wakefield is 3% above the National average, putting strain on the health authority and costing lives.

An investigation into Peter Box’s decision making with particular interest shown to his perceived lack of impartiality & conflict of interests should also be undertaken.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:19 pm  

newgroundb4cas wrote:

No merger of clubs what ever happens Wakefield people are different to cas people and cas v wakey are the best games of the season so we cannot merge never ever never ever !!!!

If that was the case (and I'm not saying it isn't) would it necessarily work against a merger? In many ways, (environmental, economical, cultural, industrial) Cas and Fev are very close (GH is squarely betwixt WR and POR) and very similar, but the division created by their passion for rugby league and the emnity of their respective clubs means we may never be able to co-exist in an RL context.

I'm no advocate of a merged Cas-Wakey but if franchise criteria don't eliminate one of us this time SL will come up with something to ensure that ultimately there will be only one club in WMDC. Over the past 20 years the greater and more sustainable interest in attending games exists in WF10 but I accept GH is badly placed for a Tigers/Wildcats merger.

Wakey have no less right to a RL club than Cas but moving to GH would be a far greater risk to their continued existence (or to the viability of a merged club) than us going to Newmarket so I could live with the latter if all else failed.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:25 pm  

The Clan wrote:

The timing of this stinks and can lead to no other conclusion than Box’s manipulation of the circumstances to achieve his own ends.

The press release has been released, by Box, in spite of an agreement not to do so without the full knowledge and approval of all parties. It has been released immediately before the most important derby game since the £1M relegation match.
The threat to withdraw the loaned land in Sept also coincides with the WMDC’s planning delay for Newmarket and threatens to throw a spanner in the works for both clubs SL franchise applications at just the WRONG time for the clubs.
COINCIDENCE?

Castleford make much of the Outline PP that was granted a few years ago but that is close to expiration and is worth nothing in light of Castleford’s lack of funding. Also, if Surfworld are being relied on to build one stand as part of their facility then no such stand can be built until they gain Full PP for their development. As I type they have not even confirmed their intention to build in Castleford let alone begin feasibility studies etc..

If the value of the WMDC land is just £2M then it is quite possible that York Court and the WCT can proceed without it. If the land is being used as an asset upon which to borrow money during the early stages of the Newmarket project in the lead up to gaining Full PP then surely the granting of Full PP will negate the need for this land and WMDC can take it back.

Someone in authority should make it known that a full review of WMDCs actions over the last 5 years will be undertaken by an independent legal team. If WMDC or any of its representatives are found to have acted inappropriately then legal action should be taken to recover any financial losses incurred by York Court, Wakefield Trinity and any other parties involved.

Further to this, a full and independent review of Peter Box’s involvement coupled with an immediate call for his resignation due to his incompetent leadership and handling of WMDCs affairs in relation to its leisure facilities.
Let’s not forget that Wakefield placed at the BOTTOM of an official Government league table in terms of leisure and sporting amenities. One legacy of that is Obesity in Wakefield is 3% above the National average, putting strain on the health authority and costing lives.

An investigation into Peter Box’s decision making with particular interest shown to his perceived lack of impartiality & conflict of interests should also be undertaken.

Great post i totally agree Box is a complete idiot awful timing why decide this now. Hes incompetent and we should protest for his resignation. Even cas should get involved this is appauling.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:29 pm  

In terms of funding, a few on here have suggested that WCT and WTW have lied about full funding being available, well quite frankly that’s crap!

The funding for Newmarket has always been open book and no one has ever hidden the fact that apart from York Courts contribution there would also be a number of Grants involved.

These grants have already been identified and the mechanism for their successful application and securing investigated. Wakefield Community Trust are so confident in the initial stadium funding being secured that they have identified further funding that will enhance the community sports facilities that lay adjacent to the stadium.

Once planning permission is granted the question is not ‘can it be funded’ but ‘how big can the facilities become’.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:30 pm  

Fully wrote:

Which is why a groundshare is a last resort - and it should only be agreed if the RFL allow us more time to get the stadium in order in a completely neutral location away from Wakefield and away from Castleford that is not Glasshoughton and not Newmarket - i.e. Normanton.

How much more time do Castleford need when I lived there 7 years ago you were just about start building the ground.

Both Cas and Wakey have been messing around for too long. I said it years ago that land could have been used at Europort along with building a part time train station there which would serve both wakefield and castleford.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:32 pm  

It's as if we are getting punished for having 2 clubs in the elite competition. This should be embraced, we shouldn't be forced to ground share or merge.

Re: Stadium Statement : Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:36 pm  

dids858 wrote:

How much more time do Castleford need when I lived there 7 years ago you were just about start building the ground.

Both Cas and Wakey have been messing around for too long. I said it years ago that land could have been used at Europort along with building a part time train station there which would serve both wakefield and castleford.

A lot of it is our argument the bloody council messing every one about incompetent idiots they must be the worsed council sporting wise in the country.