Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:11 am  

This isn’t about political point scoring. This is surely a moral issue. If Labour or any other party in charge were just as lackadaisical as the Tories have been, my viewpoint would be the same.

Sorry but if you think the Government is doing a good job you’ve got your head in the sand.

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:22 am  

Willzay wrote:

I think now when people are dying is the time to hold the Government to account. Be a pointless otherwise when the population has been decimated to their favour.

What the hell does that mean??

Are you suggesting the Govt are deliberately killing people off??

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:38 am  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

If you are trying to score political points, people would have unfortunately died from this virus anyway.
If you want to hold a Government to account, then I suggest that you start with the Chinese one.
Also, despite other countries having different scenarios in place at the start, they have had numerous deaths.

Spot on and once the true death rate is established through testing i.e. when we get data on how many have actually had this thing I don't think the rate of death will differ much across 1st world countries. Different countries count them differently to some degree. if you look at the test in the USA the death rate there is 46,785 from 842,624 positive tests that's from a total of 4,482,434 tests carried out a rate of around 6% based on positive tests. Our death rate is 18,151 from 134,639 our rate is currently at 13% that's twice the rate of the USA at the moment but as testing ramps up outside of the hospital environment like the US and Germany that rate will drop.

I have lost my father in law recently cause of death probable corona virus on his death certificate with a couple of other causes, he is one of the stats but we will never know if he was truly positive or not! he died in hospital by the way. In my opinion the Govt is showing transparency around this subject I am not sure others around the world are as yet!

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:48 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Spot on and once the true death rate is established through testing i.e. when we get data on how many have actually had this thing I don't think the rate of death will differ much across 1st world countries. Different countries count them differently to some degree. if you look at the test in the USA the death rate there is 46,785 from 842,624 positive tests that's from a total of 4,482,434 tests carried out a rate of around 6% based on positive tests. Our death rate is 18,151 from 134,639 our rate is currently at 13% that's twice the rate of the USA at the moment but as testing ramps up outside of the hospital environment like the US and Germany that rate will drop.

I have lost my father in law recently cause of death probable corona virus on his death certificate with a couple of other causes, he is one of the stats but we will never know if he was truly positive or not! he died in hospital by the way. In my opinion the Govt is showing transparency around this subject I am not sure others around the world are as yet!

Sorry to hear that about your father-in-law.
I think the point is that a lot of deaths are being recorded with Corona as the cause when we're not actually sure, or where people were unfortunately already at death's door an so would probably have died even without Corona.

I dislike all politicians the same so don't feel the need to try and blame one party or another. I am just truly thankful that we have an NHS that is working tirelessly to get us through this situation. I have a number of relatives who are NHS workers and I know just what effort and strain all this is taking on them and their families. I salute them and all of their co-workers.

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:21 pm  

Willzay wrote:

This isn’t about political point scoring. This is surely a moral issue. If Labour or any other party in charge were just as lackadaisical as the Tories have been, my viewpoint would be the same.

Sorry but if you think the Government is doing a good job you’ve got your head in the sand.

Maybe you need to read posts before commenting.
Don't recall saying that.

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:02 pm  

little wayne69 wrote:

For someone who supposedly have facts on these accusations you make, you seem to be doing a lot of guessing, I'm sure the government have made mistakes just like the rest of the worlds governing bodies have, but now is not the time for recriminations, why not try and get behind them for once and play the blame game when it's all over.

...with you on this one Wayne

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:39 pm  

Willzay wrote:

I think now when people are dying is the time to hold the Government to account. Be a pointless otherwise when the population has been decimated to their favour.

That statement is quite bizarre so you telling us the virus is selective now to political parties

I thought the 5G rumour was bad enough but this is just crazy

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 pm  

It’s not out of the realms of possibility that the Government may have been purposefully slow in “locking down” the country compared to others in order for the virus to cull the population.

Why else would they keep airports open for weeks after the virus spread to Italy with no checks or immediate self isolation?

I have also yet to see the country in official lockdown - I have not see that word used by any Government official.

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:25 pm  

The Government’s handling of this pandemic has been so tragically pathetic that it’s bordering on suspicious.

Re: Corona Virus : Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:37 pm  

Willzay wrote:

It’s not out of the realms of possibility that the Government may have been purposefully slow in “locking down” the country compared to others in order for the virus to cull the population.

Why else would they keep airports open for weeks after the virus spread to Italy with no checks or immediate self isolation?

I have also yet to see the country in official lockdown - I have not see that word used by any Government official.

You even mention that the Govt have slowed lockdown down!
You are out to lunch.
Go and lay down in a dark room for a few weeks.
Your posts on this subject are as bad as BOJ042's are on anything else.