Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:04 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Jowitt won the Albert Goldthorpe Medal - no disrespect to the following but can TJ, Batch and Crowther day the same?

Personally think it was a great achievement by Max getting the Albert Goldthorpe. A great season and a lad with plenty of Skill. Quality from Batch getting into the England Knights and a lad with great work ethic! Crowther is doing very well too and this last few weeks 3 quality players have said this about Jordy without prompts,

"One of the best trainers and toughest competitors I've come across in my career".
Ryan Atkins. "When you look at the attributes of some of the younger players here at Wakefield, the likes of Jordy Crowther has what it takes to be a great player".
Joe Westerman. "If you ask me which player is going to play 300+ games and captain the club for a few years I'd say Jordy Crowther".
Danny Kirmond

Tom is in a league of his own and world class (Injuries aside) coming through some very very harsh criticisms previously. His finishing constantly astounds me!!

We have other good young players too here and hopefully things click into place!

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:17 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Jowitt won the Albert Goldthorpe Medal - no disrespect to the following but can TJ, Batch and Crowther day the same?

No, but Johnstone got a man of steel award for young player of the year which I would argue is more of an accolade being that it is voted for by fellow players. Isn't the Albert Goldthorpe decided by a group of journalist at the league express?

By the way, Jowitt is my pick for Fullback I have rarely seen him have a bad game but for whatever reason he is not Chester's, I just dont get it but maybe there is some other reason that is not clear to see from just watching the team play every week, tbf there is so much more to the FB role than meets the eye, organising the defensive line from the back etc maybe this is his down fall? I think he would pick the Dreadnought over Jowitt if he lost a couple of pounds.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:02 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

No, but Johnstone got a man of steel award for young player of the year which I would argue is more of an accolade being that it is voted for by fellow players. Isn't the Albert Goldthorpe decided by a group of journalist at the league express?

By the way, Jowitt is my pick for Fullback I have rarely seen him have a bad game but for whatever reason he is not Chester's, I just dont get it but maybe there is some other reason that is not clear to see from just watching the team play every week, tbf there is so much more to the FB role than meets the eye, organising the defensive line from the back etc maybe this is his down fall? I think he would pick the Dreadnought over Jowitt if he lost a couple of pounds.

I like Max but he’s a million miles off TJ. I’ll add to what you’ve already stated, 1 cap with a hatrick and wasn’t he in the dream team?

Max is a good pro, TJ is a star who’s frankly wasted with us at the moment.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:11 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

No, but Johnstone got a man of steel award for young player of the year which I would argue is more of an accolade being that it is voted for by fellow players. Isn't the Albert Goldthorpe decided by a group of journalist at the league express?

By the way, Jowitt is my pick for Fullback I have rarely seen him have a bad game but for whatever reason he is not Chester's, I just dont get it but maybe there is some other reason that is not clear to see from just watching the team play every week, tbf there is so much more to the FB role than meets the eye, organising the defensive line from the back etc maybe this is his down fall? I think he would pick the Dreadnought over Jowitt if he lost a couple of pounds.

I'm not going to act like I didn't receive a call from Chris when Walker and Rocky were out but I'd just tested positive for being the hardest fella in Wakey so I was unavailable for selection.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:13 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I like Max a lot but as said he has flaws.
He's one of the best we've had under a high ball and can pass but his organisation of defense and his personal defense are not great.
Hampshire is not the FB answer either but has speed on his side.
That's why I like Walker as he's good all round.

Max I'd play at half back but he has a lot of development to go to be a starting 7 in a super league team.

Not sure I agree about the organising, looks ok to me. However his one on one defence is poor, huge weakness.

However age and regular games should improve that and in his defence he’s never had that.

CC suffers the same fault imo that most British coaches have, he won’t stick with young British players. Yet he will persist with over rated Aussies and British players past their best, fault he learned from JK.

I loved JK but during his time at BV hardly any youngsters came through. CC started of with an open mind but has gradually lost his nerve.

Just how I see it, might be wrong, but it’s a constant complaint I hear about both men.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:20 pm  

vastman wrote:

Not sure I agree about the organising, looks ok to me. However his one on one defence is poor, huge weakness.

However age and regular games should improve that and in his defence he’s never had that.

CC suffers the same fault imo that most British coaches have, he won’t stick with young British players. Yet he will persist with over rated Aussies and British players past their best, fault he learned from JK.

I loved JK but during his time at BV hardly any youngsters came through. CC started of with an open mind but has gradually lost his nerve.

Just how I see it, might be wrong, but it’s a constant complaint I hear about both men.

I'm afraid I don't agree, his defensive game would improve in training to the point it's deemed it's SL standard. Sure game experience helps as it's at 100% speed but there is clearly something that Max isn't doing through the week that prevents him from playing.

I also don't agree on the point about sticking young british players in. You may want to take another look at our squad and see just who he backs when fit.

[PopTart]

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:21 pm  

vastman wrote:

Not sure I agree about the organising, looks ok to me. However his one on one defence is poor, huge weakness.

However age and regular games should improve that and in his defence he’s never had that.

CC suffers the same fault imo that most British coaches have, he won’t stick with young British players. Yet he will persist with over rated Aussies and British players past their best, fault he learned from JK.

I loved JK but during his time at BV hardly any youngsters came through. CC started of with an open mind but has gradually lost his nerve.

Just how I see it, might be wrong, but it’s a constant complaint I hear about both men.

I've watched him on the organising defense. He seems to panic the defense. I've seen him 3 different times call to a player to move only for the opposition to run straight through the gap he left. Two were tries.

Maybe if I'd watched the others they would do the same but Walker seems much calmer when the line is being attacked. Grix was excellent at it. As was Mathers.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:34 pm  

No matter what post comes on here it always turns round to Max Jowitt

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:54 pm  

Little willy wrote:

No matter what post comes on here it always turns round to Max Jowitt

Was just thinking the same LW, if all the posters studied past FB they will find faults and they played regularly, while Grix as been mentioned his organisation, distribution and positioning was dreadful at Wakefield a player who frustrated me like hell but had a knack of holding his hands up and suggesting someone else’s at fault, I suppose you can guess I wasn’t his biggest fan, my opinion also.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:13 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I've watched him on the organising defense. He seems to panic the defense. I've seen him 3 different times call to a player to move only for the opposition to run straight through the gap he left. Two were tries.

Maybe if I'd watched the others they would do the same but Walker seems much calmer when the line is being attacked. Grix was excellent at it. As was Mathers.

I’ve never played in a pro team. I’m guessing it’s not easy coming from the academy and bossing seasoned pros. That’s the downside people don’t see when they demand young players get promoted. Maybe it’s those players who aren’t listening. Key roll is FB these days.

Max either needs a long run at FB or get loaned out for a season. He’d join a Championship side where he’d be considered an experienced player rather than an apprentice.

Those of us of a certain age know that sometimes the only way to stop being the eternal apprentice is to go elsewhere. Doesn’t need to be permanent but it would probably help.

I know TJ and Ellis made it through the ranks but as I say they were/are stars. Max is like most players he can only progress by learning.

That’s how I see it.

Needs to tackle better though, I think most of us agree on that.