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Re: belle vue : Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:10 pm  
Unbelievable some posts on here. We are Wakefield Trinity. Only thing in the city im proud of now along with the cathedral thats it.
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Re: belle vue : Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:22 am  
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A move out of Belle Vue without a signed and sealed, water tight contract to return to the City of Wakefield in a Super League standard stadium is a virtual death sentence for the club.

Firstly, by all accounts the RFL have ruled Dewsbury is acceptable for 1 year only, what then if there’s no deal to return to Wakefield in a Community Stadium

Secondly, if we intend to stay at The Tetleys Stadium who’s going to pay for the multi million pound upgrade to bring it up to standard.

Lastly, if neither the building of a Community Stadium or an upgrade of Tetleys Stadium is going to happen and staying at Belle View isn’t possible then maintaining Super League status looks unlikely if not impossible.

If that’s to be the case it becomes imperative that we stay in the District and find somewhere to play Championship or Championship 1 fixtures.

The alternative is to turn the lights off, send some memorabilia to Wakefield museum and consign Wakefield Trinity to the history books alongside Wakefield Rugby Union Club.

So for those advocating the hard line and giving Wakefield Council the middle finger, I would say stop and think again. Swinton & Oldham should act as cautionary tales to anyone advocating a move out of the City with no plan to return.

Maybe it’s already too late!


I think you've answered your own point. It is in many ways to late and I suspect you're possibly right about moving out of the area.

However you're fundamentally wrong on one point. It is not Trinity ie the club, it's fans or indeed the Trust who are giving the miidle finger it's WMDC. If ou can't see that or you think there is any room left for negotiations with WMDC then you are mistaken.

THEY DO NOT WANT US, THEY HATE US - END OF.

I have to ask why people would question the motives of those involved - not saying you are.

I can just and I mean JUST about see how some weird conspiracy involving MC and CB gaining something from all this might work though personally I find the idea presposterous and insulting.

The Trust however have absolutely nothing to gain personally and everything to lose. Standing up and fighting WMDC in the courts was the last thing any of them ever wanted. These are not hot heads, that's one of the reasons I'm no longer active in SWAG - I'd have swung for Box by now (though I'd have probably missed because I'm not a very good fighter :D )

TRB and IA by nature are clam people, beyond reasonable on occasions - this is not natural territory for them and absolutely not what they wanted.

However they have a case and they have the guts and the desire to carry it through - THAT IS NOT STICKING UP THE MIDDLE FINGER!

The Dewsbury thing is clearly a fall back, we have to have one but I agree it's hard to see any positives in moving there if things reamain as they are.

It sums RL up for the ludicrous sport it's become that the governing body would bite MC's hand off to take his club to Birmingham where the club would probably last a season. Yet they wont let us play 400 meters outside the bounderies of a city that has a good core support and a potentially massive one - it's cretinous IMO.

We are being squeezed in every direction and we have few friends. Is it any wonder that people are angry when the RFL bought the 'iconic' Odsal but never offered to buy the oldest RL ground in the country - how bent is our sport!

No I'm sorry this is it, do or die. We have to back MC and CB and the Trust no matter what even if it's blindly on occasions because they are the only chance we have - and it's a slim one imho.

The one hope we have is that Box is a bully. He's OK in Council and behind the scenes running his corrupt empire. Court though is a different place. There he is nothing, less than nothing. He can't lie and bully in court. There are no yes men or lackies there, every statement he makes will be torn to shreds - personally I will love to see him squirm in court and with a little luck he may even break. The guy is rotten to the core and we have seen very recently what happens to those sort when their ego takes them to far out of their comfort zone.

We are a dying man, a dangerous opponent - we have nothing to lose. I don't say this lightly and if it's settled out of Court I'd be delighted but i mean it all the same, BRING IT ON. :twisted: :evil:
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Re: belle vue : Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:12 pm  
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I think you've answered your own point. It is in many ways to late and I suspect you're possibly right about moving out of the area.

However you're fundamentally wrong on one point. It is not Trinity ie the club, it's fans or indeed the Trust who are giving the miidle finger it's WMDC. If ou can't see that or you think there is any room left for negotiations with WMDC then you are mistaken.

THEY DO NOT WANT US, THEY HATE US - END OF.

I have to ask why people would question the motives of those involved - not saying you are.

I can just and I mean JUST about see how some weird conspiracy involving MC and CB gaining something from all this might work though personally I fbnind the idea presposterous and insulting.

The Trust however have absolutely nothing to gain personally and everything to lose. Standing up and fighting WMDC in the courts was the last thing any of them ever wanted. These are not hot heads, that's one of the reasons I'm no longer active in SWAG - I'd have swung for Box by now (though I'd have probably missed because I'm not a very good fighter :D )

TRB and IA by nature are clam people, beyond reasonable on occasions - this is not natural territory for them and absolutely not what they wanted.

However they have a case and they have the guts and the desire to carry it through - THAT IS NOT STICKING UP THE MIDDLE FINGER!

The Dewsbury thing is clearly a fall back, we have to have one but I agree it's hard to see any positives in moving there if things reamain as they are.

It sums RL up for the ludicrous sport it's become that the governing body would bite MC's hand off to take his club to Birmingham where the club would probably last a season. Yet they wont let us play 400 meters outside the bounderies of a city that has a good core support and a potentially massive one - it's cretinous IMO.

We are being squeezed in every direction and we have few friends. Is it any wonder that people are angry when the RFL bought the 'iconic' Odsal but never offered to buy the oldest RL ground in the country - how bent is our sport!

No I'm sorry this is it, do or die. We have to back MC and CB and the Trust no matter what even if it's blindly on occasions because they are the only chance we have - and it's a slim one imho.

The one hope we have is that Box is a bully. He's OK in Council and behind the scenes running his corrupt empire. Court though is a different place. There he is nothing, less than nothing. He can't lie and bully in court. There are no yes men or lackies there, every statement he makes will be torn to shreds - personally I will love to see him squirm in court and with a little luck he may even break. The guy is rotten to the core and we have seen very recently what happens to those sort when their ego takes them to far out of their comfort zone.

We are a dying man, a dangerous opponent - we have nothing to lose. I don't say this lightly and if it's settled out of Court I'd be delighted but i mean it all the same, BRING IT ON. :twisted: :evil:


My reference was to a number of fans who’ve basically said “F em, lets go to Dewsbury” but isn’t limited to just them it’s to anyone and all involved who think that’s the way to go.

The answer when Jaw Jaw breaks down isn’t War War or Law Law, there are no winners in that scenario, even if we get a favourable decision some years from now. The answer despite everyone being tired, frustrated and untrusting is more Jaw Jaw, go back and pull your seat out sit down and keep talking because the alternative is so far from winning that it’s no alternative at all.

Maybe the threat of High Court action is a negotiation position and if so it’s now been countered by Box’s statement that WMDC will vehemently defend themselves in Court. Now that both sides have publicly curled their fists up its time to pull the chair out again. Box stated in Council Chambers that he wanted Trinity to come back and negotiate, whether he’s genuine or not, if we choose not to then he once again looks like the bigger man while to anyone but fans, Trinity look uncooperative and unreasonable.

There’s no criticism, implied or otherwise, of anyone in what I’m saying!
I’m stating my opinion based on what’s in the Public Domaine

In my opinion there’s very little to be gained by leaving for Dewsbury with no secure plans to return and everything to lose.

If anyone thinks that we won’t become the next Swinton or Oldham and that RL won’t allow us to fall that far you’re kidding yourselves.

Other than that it’s back to the Euro lottery and crossed fingers
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Re: belle vue : Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:23 pm  
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My reference was to a number of fans who’ve basically said “F em, lets go to Dewsbury” but isn’t limited to just them it’s to anyone and all involved who think that’s the way to go.

The answer when Jaw Jaw breaks down isn’t War War or Law Law, there are no winners in that scenario, even if we get a favourable decision some years from now. The answer despite everyone being tired, frustrated and untrusting is more Jaw Jaw, go back and pull your seat out sit down and keep talking because the alternative is so far from winning that it’s no alternative at all.

Maybe the threat of High Court action is a negotiation position and if so it’s now been countered by Box’s statement that WMDC will vehemently defend themselves in Court. Now that both sides have publicly curled their fists up its time to pull the chair out again. Box stated in Council Chambers that he wanted Trinity to come back and negotiate, whether he’s genuine or not, if we choose not to then he once again looks like the bigger man while to anyone but fans, Trinity look uncooperative and unreasonable.

There’s no criticism, implied or otherwise, of anyone in what I’m saying!
I’m stating my opinion based on what’s in the Public Domaine

In my opinion there’s very little to be gained by leaving for Dewsbury with no secure plans to return and everything to lose.

If anyone thinks that we won’t become the next Swinton or Oldham and that RL won’t allow us to fall that far you’re kidding yourselves.

Other than that it’s back to the Euro lottery and crossed fingers


If they are not the answer then what is rolling over and dying - sorry but that's nonesense. I'd give you and others more credibility if you ever offered an alternative but you don't.

So nows your chance - your in charge - what do we do?
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Re: belle vue : Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:43 pm  
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If they are not the answer then what is rolling over and dying - sorry but that's nonesense. I'd give you and others more credibility if you ever offered an alternative but you don't.

So nows your chance - your in charge - what do we do?


You mean ‘in your opinion’ its “nonsense”
I don’t agree with you because the alternative leads to nowhere but the end of the club as we know it or maybe just the end of the club.

“If I ever offered an alternative” you talk as if I’ve been a constant critic of others in some way, however and this may be a shock to you but I don’t seek or need your approval.

My alternative?
I just told you
Sit down and keep talking!
If you think that’s “rolling over and dying” then that’s your opinion and your problem. The alternative is to move out of Wakefield with no plan to return and there are clear examples of what that will probably lead to. I therefore prefer my alternative!

I’m as fed up as anyone with the politicking, back channelling, fork tongued statements, half truths and lies but unless someone’s got a master plan that we don’t know about yet then getting back around the table is still the best way forward.
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Re: belle vue : Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:24 am  
we have no choice but to move do we? we don't own the ground and we don't want to pay the rent the owner has requested - what choice have we got?
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Re: belle vue : Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:01 am  
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we have no choice but to move do we? we don't own the ground and we don't want to pay the rent the owner has requested - what choice have we got?


Renegotiate the rent?
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Re: belle vue : Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:24 am  
coco the fullback wrote:
Renegotiate the rent?


We are in a poor situation there though.
They know we need a ground pretty soon and there aren't many alternatives.
Unless doing nothing loses them money why would the change their price?
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Re: belle vue : Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:53 am  
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we have no choice but to move do we? we don't own the ground and we don't want to pay the rent the owner has requested - what choice have we got?


Despite being asked many times, he has never presented any request for rent? Therefore how do I pay it or even negotiate it?
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Re: belle vue : Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:01 am  
Daddycool wrote:
Despite being asked many times, he has never presented any request for rent? Therefore how do I pay it or even negotiate it?


That's even worse than I realised.
Such a poor situation.
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