Re: Bad News : Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:40 am  

As we all know Stats can be made to tell you anything you want but I looked at the kickers who attempted at least 50 goal kicks last season and their success precentages. Finn is 4th on that list.
Mark Sneyd 88.79% (103 out of 116)
Luke Walsh 85.19% (69 out of 81)
Kallum Watkins 83.33% (45 out of 54)
Liam Finn 82.76% (96 out of 116)
Luke Gale 82.69% (129 out of 156)
Ben Reynolds 80% (48 out of 60)
Mark Percival 76.61% (95 out of 124)
Michael Dobson 74.19% (46 out of 62)

Out of those 8 players 6 play at half back. Finn's missed tackle percentage is 3rd lowest of the 8 and he made significantly (over 200) more attempts than any of the others.
Dobson missed 9.84% (43 out of 437)
Sneyd missed 10.04% (46 out of 458)
Finn missed 10.61% (71 out of 669)
Reynolds missed 11.35% (47 out of 414)
Gale missed 13.14% (46 out of 350)
Walsh missed 17.46% (59 out of 338)

His defence is not massively weak compared to others playing in a similar position and his value in terms of conversions alone is massive.

Organisation is not a stat that is easily measured but I'd put him up very near the top of any such list if one was available.

He may not be the speediest, and he is the only one of those players listed above not to make a single clean break last year, but his value to us as a team is unquestionable and he is definitely the best option we have at this moment in time.

Re: Bad News : Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:51 am  

I think there's better half backs in Super League than Liam Finn. I also think there's better half backs at Wakefield. But were a much better team when he's in it than when he's not, and for me that's all that matters.

Re: Bad News : Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:00 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

I think there's better half backs in Super League than Liam Finn. I also think there's better half backs at Wakefield. But were a much better team when he's in it than when he's not, and for me that's all that matters.

That's a bit of a contradiction, not quite sure what you mean

If you mean naturally gifted then yeah, if you mean as a craftsman then he's by far the best at the club.

Re: Bad News : Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:20 pm  

Finn's main weakness IMHO is his lack of pace when sliding across. He regularly is left grasping at air as speedier backs cruise through the gap. Don't know if this shows up in any stats?

Re: Bad News : Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:19 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Finn's main weakness IMHO is his lack of pace when sliding across. He regularly is left grasping at air as speedier backs cruise through the gap. Don't know if this shows up in any stats?

I imagine they do when the coaching team strip them down to fine detail. The stats we see I'm guessing are very basic and thus easy to read in many different ways.

Re: Bad News : Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:56 pm  

It all comes down to better s h who fit the wakey way, I honestly can not think of one at the moment. He fits the wakey way of doing things 100% and I'm happy that it continues that way for the short term.
Scrum halves always and half backs in general have a very good game followed with 2 very average performances, clubs are always looking for that x factor tht doesnt actually excist. Im more than happy to have a good solid performer that may not break any records but makes for a very good club man.

Re: Bad News : Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:57 pm  

I think part of the reasoning behind Finns higher tackle completed number is the fact he interchanged at hooker at the beginning of last season. Defending in the middle he is bound to make more tackles.

On a side note, is it a missed tackle if you never get close to making the tackle when someone runs past you?

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Re: Bad News : Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:40 pm  

High tackle count at half back tends to be a sign that the player was targeted.
Not necessarily for bad defence but in Miller's case it's more likely to slow him down on attack

Re: Bad News : Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:17 pm  

Fordy wrote:

As we all know Stats can be made to tell you anything you want but I looked at the kickers who attempted at least 50 goal kicks last season and their success precentages. Finn is 4th on that list.
Mark Sneyd 88.79% (103 out of 116)
Luke Walsh 85.19% (69 out of 81)
Kallum Watkins 83.33% (45 out of 54)
Liam Finn 82.76% (96 out of 116)
Luke Gale 82.69% (129 out of 156)
Ben Reynolds 80% (48 out of 60)
Mark Percival 76.61% (95 out of 124)
Michael Dobson 74.19% (46 out of 62)

Out of those 8 players 6 play at half back. Finn's missed tackle percentage is 3rd lowest of the 8 and he made significantly (over 200) more attempts than any of the others.
Dobson missed 9.84% (43 out of 437)
Sneyd missed 10.04% (46 out of 458)
Finn missed 10.61% (71 out of 669)
Reynolds missed 11.35% (47 out of 414)
Gale missed 13.14% (46 out of 350)
Walsh missed 17.46% (59 out of 338)

His defence is not massively weak compared to others playing in a similar position and his value in terms of conversions alone is massive.

Organisation is not a stat that is easily measured but I'd put him up very near the top of any such list if one was available.

He may not be the speediest, and he is the only one of those players listed above not to make a single clean break last year, but his value to us as a team is unquestionable and he is definitely the best option we have at this moment in time.

I totally agree; he has been a big reason why we have become a handy side

Re: Bad News : Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:45 am  

I watched Finn's defensive technique quite a lot last season as a result of him being criticised on here, and I'm sure some of you will have noticed that rather than trying to tackle the opponent, he prefers to tackle the ball, which tends to make the attacker concentrate on ball retention rather than making progress (well that's my take on it anyway) and it generally seems to work, as it slows down the attacker and allows the second and third tacklers to come in and assist in completing the tackle.