Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:22 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

And from someone who also works in the industry, it wouldn't get through to the planning for starters, so no it isn't viable. But you never could admit to being wrong could you Vastman?

Why wouldn’t it get through to planning?

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:35 pm  

Fishermanscap wrote:

Oh give up man you're just plain wrong as the images prove but you've gobbed of now and can't admit your wrong, sad.

I to was doubtful at first but I visited the site and did the checks and it works out. Sorry if reality doesn't suit you but there is clearly more than enough room despite your attempts to deny the obvious. Truth is you can fit at least three 'bare bones footprint of BV' on that site which is more than you can do at BV! Get a grip.

Oh and stop twisting what I said, I never said parking wasn't required I said 3000 places were not required, try reading what people actually post.

I honestly don't get the aggression I'm simply illustrating the facts, frankly I don't care that much where the new stadium is so long as we get one and we survive - I'd have though you'd have felt the same and at least given it some serious thought rather than slagging off the messenger. I was only trying to add to the debate

Well, I seem to have touched a raw nerve there.

Because I have major, major doubts about the site, access and size, you seem to translate this into me being negative and not wanting Trinity to find a new home, which, I think yo know is simply not the case.

There simply is no access to that site and trying to engineer something from Balne Lane would be a non starter.

Also, despite you being a "new" poster, I believe that you are either "on the inside" or some reincarnation of a previous poster, which is your prerogative.

As for casting doubt or being sceptical, well, we've been here so many times before havent we.

Therefore, until someone from the club or the Community Trust (not the bogus one) comes along and supports the scheme, I ,along with many others will doubt it's legitimacy and feasibility.

If they do support it, I would be ecstatic and I'll happily take the first barrow load of hardcore to help make a start.

Over to you, sir (or is that Sir)

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Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:52 pm  

Fishermanscap wrote:

Oh give up man you're just plain wrong as the images prove but you've gobbed of now and can't admit your wrong, sad.

I to was doubtful at first but I visited the site and did the checks and it works out. Sorry if reality doesn't suit you but there is clearly more than enough room despite your attempts to deny the obvious. Truth is you can fit at least three 'bare bones footprint of BV' on that site which is more than you can do at BV! Get a grip.

Oh and stop twisting what I said, I never said parking wasn't required I said 3000 places were not required, try reading what people actually post.

I honestly don't get the aggression I'm simply illustrating the facts, frankly I don't care that much where the new stadium is so long as we get one and we survive - I'd have though you'd have felt the same and at least given it some serious thought rather than slagging off the messenger. I was only trying to add to the debate

I'm not sure why some are so against the idea either.
I personally don't think it's viable based on what I've seen but the map and the shopped in stadium helps work out what those with the original idea are trying to do.
I don't know whether they are doing it for a smoke screen or whether it is something they have put a lot of effort into working out but either way, why not consider it. If it turns out not to be viable, what harm did it do............as long as it doesn't delay any progress on the Belle Vue or Newmarket initiatives.

I nearly moved the first post to the stadium thread but it obviously has a discussion in it's own right so I'll leave where it is.

And Sacred Cow..................stop picking on the new guy. Vastman would never use a nom de plume. That would be a ridiculous thing to do after all his moaning about people doing that on here. Vastman just isn't that kind of guy.
Welcome on board new guy.

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Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:55 pm  

Wakefield City wrote:

Why wouldn’t it get through to planning?

That is my question too. I don't know about how planning works so it's a genuine question to those that do.

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:23 pm  

PopTart wrote: That is my question too. I don't know about how planning works so it's a genuine question to those that do. Just a quick look around the main things are below- a few of which I've been on the end of when extending properties over the years. Whether the neighbours raise any objections Whether the proposed design is of good quality and in keeping with surrounding properties What impact your proposed development will have on your neighbours and the environment - for example through loss of light or loss of privacy. How your development would affect the surrounding area, eg if it would create lots more traffic The number, size, layout, siting and external appearance of buildings The infrastructure available, eg roads and water supply Any landscaping needs What you want to use the development for. There's a website here that lists a big list of things. https://www.richmond.gov.uk/what_is_a_valid_objection_to_a_planning_application

PopTart wrote: That is my question too. I don't know about how planning works so it's a genuine question to those that do. Just a quick look around the main things are below- a few of which I've been on the end of when extending properties over the years. Whether the neighbours raise any objections Whether the proposed design is of good quality and in keeping with surrounding properties What impact your proposed development will have on your neighbours and the environment - for example through loss of light or loss of privacy. How your development would affect the surrounding area, eg if it would create lots more traffic The number, size, layout, siting and external appearance of buildings The infrastructure available, eg roads and water supply Any landscaping needs What you want to use the development for. There's a website here that lists a big list of things. https://www.richmond.gov.uk/what_is_a_valid_objection_to_a_planning_application

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:30 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote: Just a quick look around the main things are below- a few of which I've been on the end of when extending properties over the years. Whether the neighbours raise any objections Whether the proposed design is of good quality and in keeping with surrounding properties What impact your proposed development will have on your neighbours and the environment - for example through loss of light or loss of privacy. How your development would affect the surrounding area, eg if it would create lots more traffic The number, size, layout, siting and external appearance of buildings The infrastructure available, eg roads and water supply Any landscaping needs What you want to use the development for. There's a website here that lists a big list of things. https://www.richmond.gov.uk/what_is_a_valid_objection_to_a_planning_application So looking at that there’s no showstopper regarding planning.

Shifty Cat wrote: Just a quick look around the main things are below- a few of which I've been on the end of when extending properties over the years. Whether the neighbours raise any objections Whether the proposed design is of good quality and in keeping with surrounding properties What impact your proposed development will have on your neighbours and the environment - for example through loss of light or loss of privacy. How your development would affect the surrounding area, eg if it would create lots more traffic The number, size, layout, siting and external appearance of buildings The infrastructure available, eg roads and water supply Any landscaping needs What you want to use the development for. There's a website here that lists a big list of things. https://www.richmond.gov.uk/what_is_a_valid_objection_to_a_planning_application So looking at that there’s no showstopper regarding planning.

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:34 pm  

No idea about planning but Fishermanscap does on the surface post a lot like Vasty and certainly has the attitude, who was it that always liked to superimpose "footprints" onto Google maps? Hmmm.

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:51 pm  

I actually can see what fishermancap take on this and it is possible to do but there's several other things to take account of and the one main one is cost, I can see it costing and taking far more time to develop

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:07 pm  

Fishermanscap wrote:

What's with the 'Rodders' bit, because someone disagrees with your sainted opinion it automatically makes them part of what you consider the enemy camp - sad.

Where did I say there would be no parking? There is clearly enough room for a stadium and car parking for staff, players, corporate and disabled plus few more IMO. See attached image which is to scale using BV as a footprint.

Perhaps you should do a little research before playing at being a town planner whilst dismissing the views of others.

I Have shown "your plan" to a neighbour of mine who is a Highways & Planning Manager...
He looked at it and said that "there would be absolutely no chance of the stadium and infrastructure necessary to be developed and built there."

Re: Being aware. : Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:17 pm  

snowie wrote:

I actually can see what fishermancap take on this and it is possible to do but there's several other things to take account of and the one main one is cost, I can see it costing and taking far more time to develop

I can’t imagine the actual land is worth much probably worthless that’s why this particular land has been discussed and put forward. I can’t see it happening but that’s because of our inept council not because of lack of access or planning restrictions I actually think the site location is the best out of the 3. City/Town Centre stadiums are always the best and most successful in my opinion.

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