[PopTart]

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:05 am  

Wildmoggy wrote:

Did we not have a 'better' team out the week before when we lost 58-0? If you could play our strongest backline we'd be better? We had a stronger backline out the week before and lost 58-0......explanations as to why please???! Did we not have smaller, 'weaker' squads in quality in 2017& 2018, when we finished 5th? explanations as to why please?

Because sport doesn't work that way.
Having them on the park and having them fit are two different things.
We didn't have a first choice team out did we. Tupou Lyne and Miller were our first choice players who played.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:46 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Because sport doesn't work that way.
Having them on the park and having them fit are two different things.
We didn't have a first choice team out did we. Tupou Lyne and Miller were our first choice players who played.

But you are giving supposed reasons for sub standard performances, i.e. injured backline etc against Catalans, no money meaning small or lack of quality in the squad etc. then you say sport doesn't work that way, which actually means you, I or anyone else for that matter has no idea if we'd have fared better if TJ, BJB, Lynne etc had have played anyway???! It's just an assumption because they are our 'first choice'? It's not that simple why we lost or played badly is it, it never is. The 58-0 was mainly down to an attitude thing, not all of it, but mostly down to that. I would say as a general thing, the performances over the last 12-14 months have been unacceptable from the players at Chesters' disposal at various times, in my opinion they have underperformed, but obviously this cannot be proven scientifically can it?! I suppose it's down to interpretation, expectations etc, which maybe some of us see differently than others. I think he is not getting the best out of these players, if you think otherwise then fair enough, but I can back my argument up with a win and loss ratio over the last 14 months, which can't be argued with can it?! because it's a fact.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:32 pm  

Wildmoggy wrote:

But you are giving supposed reasons for sub standard performances, i.e. injured backline etc against Catalans, no money meaning small or lack of quality in the squad etc. then you say sport doesn't work that way, which actually means you, I or anyone else for that matter has no idea if we'd have fared better if TJ, BJB, Lynne etc had have played anyway???! It's just an assumption because they are our 'first choice'? It's not that simple why we lost or played badly is it, it never is. The 58-0 was mainly down to an attitude thing, not all of it, but mostly down to that. I would say as a general thing, the performances over the last 12-14 months have been unacceptable from the players at Chesters' disposal at various times, in my opinion they have underperformed, but obviously this cannot be proven scientifically can it?! I suppose it's down to interpretation, expectations etc, which maybe some of us see differently than others. I think he is not getting the best out of these players, if you think otherwise then fair enough, but I can back my argument up with a win and loss ratio over the last 14 months, which can't be argued with can it?! because it's a fact.

So what is the answer, who do you replace him with?

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:28 pm  

upthecats wrote:

So what is the answer, who do you replace him with?

Well like I said, it's only my opinion that he's not been getting the best out of these players, the person who most matters probably disagrees!! I don't have an answer, as re. who should replace him, I just think a new, fresh approach from someone different is needed, I think things have gone stale, and most coaches in most sports do have a shelf life unfortunately. He has had terrible luck with injuries since last April/May, there's no denying that, but that will only stretch so far as to why things have gone pear shaped since. Watching as a fan when we could actually go to games, and on TV, something just seems missing to me, just a hunger and desire maybe, I can't put my finger on it but the club hasn't had the same feeling to me like when we were on the crest of a wave a couple of years back. Maybe we overachieved those two years, and we've underachieved since then, and in reality we should be somewhere in the middle?! It's like now with the Fifita thing, it all adds fuel to the fire that something at the club isn't/hasn't been right for a while, I really don't know, it just seems a shame that we did so well for 2 years, and now it all seems to be unravelling and slowly falling apart.......

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:31 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I find it hard to answer that because I think it's really clear that money and injuries make a massive difference.
If you can't pay as much as other clubs for players and coaching staff then either quality suffers or size of squad suffers
The fact we played a centre who although he has potential is probably 5th in line in the centre with a winger on debut and 2 training sessions and the other winger being a full back and part time half back tells you we are down on quality players.
If you could play our strongest back line we'd be better. It's as simple as that.
Same goes for forwards.

And as for the coach of course, if we had unlimited funds I'd have Ricky Stuart or Craig Bellamy..... But we haven't. So I'd rather stick with what we have for now.

Come on PT, your first line contradicts itself, You state that if you're short of money (as we are), then the quality of coaching staff suffers yet your general opinion is that CC is ok as a coach and doing a satisfactory job.
I'm not criticising the players' ability, I'm criticising the lack of tactics and the fact that the coaching staff are lacking in ideas and motivation skills. We know we have a pretty good squad, but something is stifling their skills when they get on to the field of play. That motivation must come from the coaching staff.
Yes, I'm sure with our best back line and best forwards we would be better, but we've seen too many occasions when the best have been on display but have performed very poorly. due to poor tactics and commitment.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:52 am  

Didn't we have virtually our first choice team playing against Bradford in the cup game ????....and we all know how close that turned out !!

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:32 am  

FIL wrote:

Didn't we have virtually our first choice team playing against Bradford in the cup game ????....and we all know how close that turned out !!

Same with the Widnes game last year.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:34 am  

upthecats wrote:

So what is the answer, who do you replace him with?

James Ford
Danny ward and Langley
Ryan Sheridan

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:46 am  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

James Ford
Danny ward and Langley
Ryan Sheridan

Wardy and Langley would'nt be bad.

Re: Good hiding in the next outcome. : Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:57 am  

Agree