Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 1:40 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

I honestly can’t understand it. All talk the weeks running up to round 1 we had a clean bill of health and over the course of 6 games we’ve had to do without 10+ players and had to play players out of position and even bring in loan players. There must be some contributory factors.

Some of it I feel lies in the new rules and the fact more stress is put on players bodies with less recovery time between sets/ in matches.

Luckily though as you say, we have become experts in ACL management with a Tupou, Arona, Arundel last few years. Armed with information you have to be positive the lad can push through this.

I think this is the major contributory factor, along with the extra training that is having to be done to increase fitness to cope with these new rules. We are not alone with having plenty missing so far, pretty much all clubs have been missing a good chunk of players at some point. The players bodies are reaching breaking point and this contstant desire to make the game faster and faster is proving counter productive.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 2:13 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

Trojan Horse wrote:

I honestly can’t understand it. All talk the weeks running up to round 1 we had a clean bill of health and over the course of 6 games we’ve had to do without 10+ players and had to play players out of position and even bring in loan players. There must be some contributory factors.

Some of it I feel lies in the new rules and the fact more stress is put on players bodies with less recovery time between sets/ in matches.

Luckily though as you say, we have become experts in ACL management with a Tupou, Arona, Arundel last few years. Armed with information you have to be positive the lad can push through this.

I think this is the major contributory factor, along with the extra training that is having to be done to increase fitness to cope with these new rules. We are not alone with having plenty missing so far, pretty much all clubs have been missing a good chunk of players at some point. The players bodies are reaching breaking point and this contstant desire to make the game faster and faster is proving counter productive.

I think the mission to speed up the game has gone too far and adding in this ball steal rule is making for very fast and messy tackles/rucks. Days gone you’d see a lot more quality plays because teams had to try and get round or unlock defences. These days its all about rolling the opposition for the 6 again and putting your opposition in the back foot to tire or expose a gap. There’s very little inventive play compared to a few years ago and it’s more autonomous than quality plays. Don’t even get me started on the poor officials having to manage more and more rules and messy rucks in a faster game. This is exactly why mistakes are prevelant in the game this year.

Ultimately, the teams struggling like us haven’t adapted to the new rules as well as teams like saints/Wigan in particular. That’s a different point though.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

I honestly can’t understand it. All talk the weeks running up to round 1 we had a clean bill of health and over the course of 6 games we’ve had to do without 10+ players and had to play players out of position and even bring in loan players. There must be some contributory factors.

Some of it I feel lies in the new rules and the fact more stress is put on players bodies with less recovery time between sets/ in matches.

Luckily though as you say, we have become experts in ACL management with a Tupou, Arona, Arundel last few years. Armed with information you have to be positive the lad can push through this.

Only one, bad luck.

I'll accept people's opinions on CC coaching, certain players' attitudes, or the way the club is run even if I don't agree. But there is nothing special about our conditioning and training. I know that's not what you're saying but I'm just putting it out there.

I know a few people in the game and one or two suggest Clawson is a bit old school but nobody has ever said his methods are more likely to cause injury than any other, see most of the other seasons he's been in charge where we have been fine. Ditto the physios.

As for the new rules, I don't see it, to be honest, many tackling styles are outlawed and stiff arms and shoulder barges are very rare.

In the past, I can recall times when almost every first-teamer was our and we had teams of kids and loans, far more than now.

Our problem isn't the number of injuries, I bet a few others are in a similar boat, it's which players. Nearly all our injured players are pivots or backs when usually it's the forwards.

Only TJ is an oddity, his luck is just appalling.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 2:40 pm  

To be fair you a lot of fans in Australia saying that speeding the game up is breaking players.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 2:43 pm  

supercat wrote:

To be fair you a lot of fans in Australia saying that speeding the game up is breaking players.

Could be but I feel that's more fatigue I can't see where it would contribute to an early-season injury crisis, poor old Crofty was only playing lower Championship in only his second game.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 2:53 pm  

vastman wrote:

Only one, bad luck.

I'll accept people's opinions on CC coaching, certain players' attitudes, or the way the club is run even if I don't agree. But there is nothing special about our conditioning and training. I know that's not what you're saying but I'm just putting it out there.

I know a few people in the game and one or two suggest Clawson is a bit old school but nobody has ever said his methods are more likely to cause injury than any other, see most of the other seasons he's been in charge where we have been fine. Ditto the physios.

As for the new rules, I don't see it, to be honest, many tackling styles are outlawed and stiff arms and shoulder barges are very rare.

In the past, I can recall times when almost every first-teamer was our and we had teams of kids and loans, far more than now.

Our problem isn't the number of injuries, I bet a few others are in a similar boat, it's which players. Nearly all our injured players are pivots or backs when usually it's the forwards.

Only TJ is an oddity, his luck is just appalling.

Not just bad luck IMO Vasty, unfortunately there are a few clubs out there that deliberately apply tackle techniques that result in these sort of injuries that could of been avoided. Not saying that`s what's happened here by the way.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 3:02 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

Not just bad luck IMO Vasty, unfortunately there are a few clubs out there that deliberately apply tackle techniques that result in these sort of injuries that could of been avoided. Not saying that`s what's happened here by the way.

But it is because those teams don't just do it to us, like it or not there is always attrition to these incidents at all clubs, we just seem to get more injuries due to dirty play than most.

It's like TJ's injury, it was a bit dirty but you wouldn't have expected it to put him out for 8 chuffing weeks. He's copped far worse in his career and he's been fine.

Not condoning dirty play but considering what Tanginoa did a few weeks back we are not without malice, it happens, we are no more victimized than anyone else, as I say, just unlucky.

Sorry

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 3:04 pm  

vastman wrote:

But it is because those teams don't just do it to us, like it or not there is always attrition to these incidents at all clubs, we just seem to get more injuries due to dirty play than most.

It's like TJ's injury, it was a bit dirty but you wouldn't have expected it to put him out for 8 chuffing weeks. He's copped far worse in his career and he's been fine.

Not condoning dirty play but considering what Tanginoa did a few weeks back we are not without malice, it happens, we are no more victimized than anyone else, as I say, just unlucky.

Sorry

That`s what I`m getting at, it`s not a contributing factor from within, but there's more too it than just bad luck imo in some cases.

Re: Jack croft : Thu May 13, 2021 3:11 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

That`s what I`m getting at, it`s not a contributing factor from within, but there's more too it than just bad luck imo in some cases.

I know, what I'm saying is that for some reason we get far more unlucky results than other teams.

Many years ago my brother and I took a beating from some travelling friends and they were travelling friends, a case of mistaken identity it turned out.

My brother lost his front teeth, had a broken rib, was heavily bruised with loads of cuts, and was heavily concussed. I was shaken but barely had a mark on me. We both took the same brutal kicking but I can't explain the difference in the results, I do know they didn't take it easy on me compared to my brother. He was just unlucky and I was lucky, logically it should have been the same result for both of us. Luck, life is just luck, without it you're stuffed.

Sorry for the boring story and no I don't feel guilty that I got away with it, I was always far more beautiful than him