Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:43 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

This is the problem when you get people with no vision or business nous in charge of organisations. They make them bureaucratic. They turn it into an exercise in implementing whatever they have devised in endless meetings.

Yup, for example they put together a panel which devised the current system. Michael Carter was one of the four members.

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:22 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Yup, for example they put together a panel which devised the current system. Michael Carter was one of the four members.

You are hilarious.

One minute having a go at Carter "for not knowing the rules" and then confirming that he helped devise the current system.
He would have been a very strange choice if his knowledge of the rules and systems is a poor as YOU seem to believe.
However, it's not the system that is necessarily at fault, it's the view of the current panel, who, this week, with very little to go through, have seemed to look very, very hard for something to justify this weeks wages.
If we were talking about a swinging arm or shoulder charge or something that caused injury, fair enough but, they're not even close.
If they follow the same pattern for all fixtures, EVERY side will have to default on their fixtures

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:26 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You are hilarious.

One minute having a go at Carter "for not knowing the rules" and then confirming that he helped devise the current system.

Sorry I meant perhaps not as familiar as he might be with the on field rules which are leading to charges.

The off field stuff I'm sure he's all over those processes.

wrencat1873 wrote:

However, it's not the system that is necessarily at fault, it's the view of the current panel, who, this week, with very little to go through, have seemed to look very, very hard for something to justify this weeks wages.
If we were talking about a swinging arm or shoulder charge or something that caused injury, fair enough but, they're not even close.
If they follow the same pattern for all fixtures, EVERY side will have to default on their fixtures

I just don't see this level of inconsistency. Each incident is individual and the ex players on the panel judge them as such I imagine. We've obviously seen things get harsher over the years, rightly, but the game simply had to act to protect the players who were being fouled.

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:28 pm  

MC has stuck a stick in the hornets nest and not before time

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:35 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Sorry I meant perhaps not as familiar as he might be with the on field rules which are leading to charges.

The off field stuff I'm sure he's all over those processes.

I just don't see this level of inconsistency. Each incident is individual and the ex players on the panel judge them as such I imagine. We've obviously seen things get harsher over the years, rightly, but the game simply had to act to protect the players who were being fouled.

I suggest you listen to the chris Chester pre Salford game interview, he explains why the club is unhappy with the review panel, and it’s not just the trinity club who are unhappy with that lot.

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:31 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Sorry I meant perhaps not as familiar as he might be with the on field rules which are leading to charges.

The off field stuff I'm sure he's all over those processes.

I just don't see this level of inconsistency. Each incident is individual and the ex players on the panel judge them as such I imagine. We've obviously seen things get harsher over the years, rightly, but the game simply had to act to protect the players who were being fouled.

IF you are right and it would seem that probably you're not, and all future games and players are judged as they were in the Trinity / Saints game, there will be multiple players in every game getting pinged.
Has this been happening ? No
Is this level of scrutiny likely to continue ? No

The case for the defence rests

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Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:57 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Sorry I meant perhaps not as familiar as he might be with the on field rules which are leading to charges.

The off field stuff I'm sure he's all over those processes.

I just don't see this level of inconsistency. Each incident is individual and the ex players on the panel judge them as such I imagine. We've obviously seen things get harsher over the years, rightly, but the game simply had to act to protect the players who were being fouled.

I don't think it's an inconsistency thing, though it does seem to be inconsistent with other sanctions. It's more that the individual incidents this week seem to be treated more heavily than normal.
I can't say I've questioned a Wakefield ban before now.

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:00 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Embarrassing statement, real amateur hour stuff.

Moreover the people are hardly "faceless", everyone knows full well who is on the Match Review Panel!

Ok Goat of 99 I don't, so do enlighten me as to their identity

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:05 pm  

RickK wrote:

Ok Goat of 99 I don't, so do enlighten me as to their identity

I’ve got it in my head that Denis Betts is one but I’m probably wrong.

Re: Michael Carter - Shooting Straight! : Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:11 pm  

He listed them on page 2.....

"Paul Cullen, Nathan McAvoy, Paul Dixon, Phil Veivers & the RFL's compliance manager which I think is still Gavin Wild."