Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:40 am  

vastman wrote:

But Tanginoa doesn’t run with more force, he did once but not now. I don’t get why people are so forgiving to this highly payed player yet will gladly bin Crowther.

PopTart wrote:

Crowther clearly does not run with the force of Kelepi, even on a bad day.
But Kelepi isn't on the best form.
Crowther pays his way in defense.

They are just different players.

I’m in danger of being accused of being Chairman of the Tanginoa fan club but I don’t get why you can’t see past the end of your nose on this one.

Tanginoa is not a prop, yes he can play there but he’s not a prop forward and his form and confidence has faded since we started playing him there.
Yes he’s occasionally been played at second row and hasn’t pulled up trees but as mentioned above his form and confidence is gone because we insist on playing him at prop forward.
IMO, if we want to see him in his Dream Team form then we need to play him in the second row and let him regrow his confidence, form and enthusiasm.
By the way, what he gets paid is irrelevant to his form

Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:09 am  

The Avenger wrote:

I’m in danger of being accused of being Chairman of the Tanginoa fan club but I don’t get why you can’t see past the end of your nose on this one.

Tanginoa is not a prop, yes he can play there but he’s not a prop forward and his form and confidence has faded since we started playing him there.
Yes he’s occasionally been played at second row and hasn’t pulled up trees but as mentioned above his form and confidence is gone because we insist on playing him at prop forward.
IMO, if we want to see him in his Dream Team form then we need to play him in the second row and let him regrow his confidence, form and enthusiasm.
By the way, what he gets paid is irrelevant to his form

I'm of the same opinion. I agree Tanginoa can play prop, but his true form was seen when he was in the second row. So, why do we play him at prop - because we're short of two props.
Arona is the same, he was converted to prop, and of the two he has made a better job of it, he always gives his 100%, but I reckon playing that position has taken it's toll on him. I think it will probably be his last season with us.

Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:58 am  

The Avenger wrote:

I’m in danger of being accused of being Chairman of the Tanginoa fan club but I don’t get why you can’t see past the end of your nose on this one.

Tanginoa is not a prop, yes he can play there but he’s not a prop forward and his form and confidence has faded since we started playing him there.
Yes he’s occasionally been played at second row and hasn’t pulled up trees but as mentioned above his form and confidence is gone because we insist on playing him at prop forward.
IMO, if we want to see him in his Dream Team form then we need to play him in the second row and let him regrow his confidence, form and enthusiasm.
By the way, what he gets paid is irrelevant to his form

You’re in danger of being accused of being his agent

Think you’re missing the point. The Tanginoa you describe whether at prop or SR was a brilliant player. But it’s all in the past tense, the one we have is a shadow no matter where he plays at present.

He means Crowther, Ashurst and especially Batcg are way ahead of him.

The only way I can excuse Tanginoa is if he has personal issues or a medical issue we don’t know about. I don’t know this so I can only judge on what I see and the Kelepi we all loved seems long gone.

Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:46 pm  

Genuinely don’t know what’s going on with Tanginoa, I was so happy when we managed to tie him down to a long deal, but how he’s playing now it’s simply not good enough as we all know what he can do. I hope Whitbread finds some sort of form too to warrant a quota spot as the lad certainly has talent, but so far this season’s he’s way down the pack for me and that’s saying something

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Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:52 pm  

I don't agree about Whitbread. He's not flash but he does his job.
Tanginoa may be slightly off form but he's not bad. I'd still pick him every time.

Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:13 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

Yet Crowther came on against Wigan and immediately got 2 defensive reads and technique wrong which both lead to try’s being scored!
One of them was due to a lack of effort to map across which is unacceptable from a player fresh off the bench
Worse was the fact that the starting team had defended manfully and limited Wigans attacks.

People bang on about Crowthers defence and while his workrate in defence is high he does get bumped off regularly and makes a number of poor tackles from what I see. Can’t knock his effort one bit though.

Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:53 pm  

If J C is making poor yards with ball and gets bump of regularly and makes poor tackles is his effort enough to keep him in the 17 every week

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Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:30 pm  

alegend wrote:

If J C is making poor yards with ball and gets bump of regularly and makes poor tackles is his effort enough to keep him in the 17 every week

He isn't getting bumped off as far as I can see.
I don't think he played well against Cas but he puts big hits in and a high number in every game.
He's not my favourite player but we are weaker down the middle when he doesn't play.

Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:35 pm  

Does anyone else think that a change at hooker might bring more from our forwards. On Thursday it was very clear we were making no progress through the middle. To me the distribution from Hood at dummy half was slow and predictable, with very little movement. Gaskell was just passing the ball as soon as he got it, I don’t think his kit will need washing as he never got near the defensive line.
Kay back at hooker will give us much more zip around the ruck and hopefully get the likes of Tanginoa and Arona hitting the line at speed again.

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Re: Quota spots : Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:42 pm  

captaincaveman wrote:

Does anyone else think that a change at hooker might bring more from our forwards. On Thursday it was very clear we were making no progress through the middle. To me the distribution from Hood at dummy half was slow and predictable, with very little movement. Gaskell was just passing the ball as soon as he got it, I don’t think his kit will need washing as he never got near the defensive line.
Kay back at hooker will give us much more zip around the ruck and hopefully get the likes of Tanginoa and Arona hitting the line at speed again.

I don't. Hood may have not been his best against Cas but so far this season the forwards have been much better because of Hood's distribution and game management.

More than happy with Bowes and Kay at hooker, but Hood brings experience we've badly needed for the last two years.