Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:06 am  

I can only think the club see better prospects coming through the next round of youngsters , but there will a time lag in development of these kids. That's why to me Batch is the biggest loss, not far off the finished item and someone who should have been a stalwart and future captain.

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:32 am  

I get it when people are upset about losing young players brought along by the club, but why does the club get the blame when they leave?
To me IF they are that good the club will surely offer them a contract they consider appropriate and that we can afford.
I reckon if the heart of these players was at the club they take up the offer and stay - unless it's a big star such as TJ who must have been offered bucks we can only dream of to go to France.
Aydin, and Batchelor are not in that status to me, and if they don't want to stay at Wakefield then off they go.
We have to accept that some kids don't give a monkey about Trinity, so as a Trinity fan through and through why should I care if they go? I look forward to seeing some positive team building though to replace them.

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:39 am  

1315trinity wrote:

I get it when people are upset about losing young players brought along by the club, but why does the club get the blame when they leave?
To me IF they are that good the club will surely offer them a contract they consider appropriate and that we can afford.
I reckon if the heart of these players was at the club they take up the offer and stay - unless it's a big star such as TJ who must have been offered bucks we can only dream of to go to France.
Aydin, and Batchelor are not in that status to me, and if they don't want to stay at Wakefield then off they go.
We have to accept that some kids don't give a monkey about Trinity, so as a Trinity fan through and through why should I care if they go? I look forward to seeing some positive team building though to replace them.

Both use the same agent by all accounts ,so nice little earner for him/her ,and let’s hope he/she had their best interest at heart , time will tell on that one I’m sure

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:44 am  

1315trinity wrote:

I get it when people are upset about losing young players brought along by the club, but why does the club get the blame when they leave?
To me IF they are that good the club will surely offer them a contract they consider appropriate and that we can afford.
I reckon if the heart of these players was at the club they take up the offer and stay - unless it's a big star such as TJ who must have been offered bucks we can only dream of to go to France.
Aydin, and Batchelor are not in that status to me, and if they don't want to stay at Wakefield then off they go.
We have to accept that some kids don't give a monkey about Trinity, so as a Trinity fan through and through why should I care if they go? I look forward to seeing some positive team building though to replace them.

But they are young 20 somethings who have spent 4 to 7 working age years earning next to nothing to chase their goal of becoming a regular 1st teamer at SL level. When they achieve that or are very close and reach the pivotal point of a new contract they expect to begin the realisation of decent wages. Unfortunately there is a pervading attitude that home grown talent don’t get the deserved wages that players ‘signed in’ from other clubs get so they become easy targets for other clubs offering a decent contract. These are young blokes who want to start an adult life, get married, buy a house, have kids etc, you can’t expect them to put their life on hold any longer because they’re home grown.

I know some very good young blokes who’ve turned down apprenticeships and jobs paying £25k and one at £35k+ in order to accept £9k and play in the Academy or be a fringe First Team squad player. They then develop and make the first team on a regular basis only to be offered far less than that position deserves, It happens all the time

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:09 am  

The Avenger wrote:

No, Corey Hall got caught ball watching at A defender and was too passive off his line meaning he didn’t get out and meet Vete. Aydin came in from B defender and put a decent shot on but the damage came from Hall staying on the try line and not meeting Vete a couple of metres off it

I’ve just rewatched that twice and this didn’t happen, well certainly not in the build up to us conceding a try at least. If you’re alluding to a missed tackle in general play then maybe it did but that would be picky beyond the extreme

Can’t tell from the camera angle on the Sky Sports highlights but felt watching live at the game that Aydin was slow to react and Vete was his man and wasn’t quick enough or strong enough to stop him one on one

Agree Hall could have done better but the way the defensive and attacking lines were set Minichella was his man and had he scored I’d have blamed Hall…

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:39 am  

upthecats wrote:

Can’t tell from the camera angle on the Sky Sports highlights but felt watching live at the game that Aydin was slow to react and Vete was his man and wasn’t quick enough or strong enough to stop him one on one

Agree Hall could have done better but the way the defensive and attacking lines were set Minichella was his man and had he scored I’d have blamed Hall…

It’s the other way around,
Looking at the attacking shape, Vete is running the unders line and Minichella is wrapping around the back making him Aydin man
Crowther is at Marker and his main job is to kill the scoot from the hooker and to map out only when the ball has left the hookers hands. Hall is too busy focusing on the hooker and even turns his hips in giving him no chance of meeting Vete.

In fairness to Aydin he spots the ball is going to Vete very early and comes in to attempt to stop him, had the ball gone behind Vete to Minichella then Aydin would have been at fault

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:00 am  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

We've been told for nearly 3 years there are no props, so good luck to the club with that one

This

Which is one of the main reasons I’m disappointed we’ve not kept him

Young British props are very few and very far between

Like you say mopsy
Good luck in us finding 2 quality props

Side note I’m delighted with the signing of Bowden

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:32 am  

Seasoned pro's make mistakes, all humans if life do. Why an error or a defensive misread is now being used to justify the loss of a player with decent potential I don't know.

As it is it maybe HKR offered more and also, more importantly at this age, gave him assurances of opportunities to play, something that Aydin has only really got since he probably made his mind up to go.

The club, and the player, will move on, its just frustrating to spend time on a kid only to see that effort for nought.

Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:38 am  

New to board. Very disappointed by the loss of aydin and Batch who are both waki lads but it happens and I would like to think the club has a plan and the younger guys such as Eseh can fill the gap left behind in the not too distant future. Just out of curiosity would most people be ok with losing Batch and Aydin if say Murphy and Hall can get long term extensions and the thought of Eseh / Shaw getting more game time

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Re: Aydin : Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 am  

WakiWaki wrote:

New to board. Very disappointed by the loss of aydin and Batch who are both waki lads but it happens and I would like to think the club has a plan and the younger guys such as Eseh can fill the gap left behind in the not too distant future. Just out of curiosity would most people be ok with losing Batch and Aydin if say Murphy and Hall can get long term extensions and the thought of Eseh / Shaw getting more game time

Yep. That's exactly what I'd hope for.