Re: Sky Bet : Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:24 pm  

They don't look much different to me, DS...so maybe it is just you

[PopTart]

Re: Sky Bet : Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:57 pm  

Sadfish wrote:

PopTart wrote:

They still have traders. They just tweek the feeds based on how much money is posted and any particular market and sometimes just to encourage people to a new market.

Skybet is owned by Flutter now, big shake up happening and reorg (so I hear).

Actually you are right. Flutter bought the Stars group which owned them before.
It's still run from Leeds which is probably why they have slightly better markets on Rugby League but the income from this market is a pimple compared to Football and Racing.
SkyBet isn't massive but a decent company worth betting with (and working at). They couldn't compete on Grand National day for speed of payout and even just said they couldn't pay out till next day but Flutter might have invested more and changed that. They do well on gaming too.
It costs millions to build the infrastructure to stay up on GN day, and the Premier League Saturdays are as big these days. The Big companies like William Hill are taking 15k bets a minute at the GN peak just on the website.

Re: Sky Bet : Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:02 am  

PopTart wrote:

Sadfish wrote:

PopTart wrote:

They still have traders. They just tweek the feeds based on how much money is posted and any particular market and sometimes just to encourage people to a new market.

Skybet is owned by Flutter now, big shake up happening and reorg (so I hear).

Actually you are right. Flutter bought the Stars group which owned them before.
It's still run from Leeds which is probably why they have slightly better markets on Rugby League but the income from this market is a pimple compared to Football and Racing.
SkyBet isn't massive but a decent company worth betting with (and working at). They couldn't compete on Grand National day for speed of payout and even just said they couldn't pay out till next day but Flutter might have invested more and changed that. They do well on gaming too.
It costs millions to build the infrastructure to stay up on GN day, and the Premier League Saturdays are as big these days. The Big companies like William Hill are taking 15k bets a minute at the GN peak just on the website.

I don't gamble ,when i was a young'un my dad used to say to me "you never see a poor bookie" looking at this comment it looks like he was right.

[Sadfish]

Re: Sky Bet : Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:08 am  

KevW60349 wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Sadfish wrote:

PopTart wrote:

They still have traders. They just tweek the feeds based on how much money is posted and any particular market and sometimes just to encourage people to a new market.

Skybet is owned by Flutter now, big shake up happening and reorg (so I hear).

Actually you are right. Flutter bought the Stars group which owned them before.
It's still run from Leeds which is probably why they have slightly better markets on Rugby League but the income from this market is a pimple compared to Football and Racing.
SkyBet isn't massive but a decent company worth betting with (and working at). They couldn't compete on Grand National day for speed of payout and even just said they couldn't pay out till next day but Flutter might have invested more and changed that. They do well on gaming too.
It costs millions to build the infrastructure to stay up on GN day, and the Premier League Saturdays are as big these days. The Big companies like William Hill are taking 15k bets a minute at the GN peak just on the website.

I don't gamble ,when i was a young'un my dad used to say to me "you never see a poor bookie" looking at this comment it looks like he was right.

well, i know of people who do make a living betting, but they are few and far between.

most betting shops know them, they restrict their odds and offset their bets.

usually they have inside knowledge, mainly in horse racing.

[PopTart]

Re: Sky Bet : Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:39 am  

Sadfish wrote:

KevW60349 wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Sadfish wrote:

PopTart wrote:

They still have traders. They just tweek the feeds based on how much money is posted and any particular market and sometimes just to encourage people to a new market.

Skybet is owned by Flutter now, big shake up happening and reorg (so I hear).

Actually you are right. Flutter bought the Stars group which owned them before.
It's still run from Leeds which is probably why they have slightly better markets on Rugby League but the income from this market is a pimple compared to Football and Racing.
SkyBet isn't massive but a decent company worth betting with (and working at). They couldn't compete on Grand National day for speed of payout and even just said they couldn't pay out till next day but Flutter might have invested more and changed that. They do well on gaming too.
It costs millions to build the infrastructure to stay up on GN day, and the Premier League Saturdays are as big these days. The Big companies like William Hill are taking 15k bets a minute at the GN peak just on the website.

I don't gamble ,when i was a young'un my dad used to say to me "you never see a poor bookie" looking at this comment it looks like he was right.

well, i know of people who do make a living betting, but they are few and far between.

most betting shops know them, they restrict their odds and offset their bets.

usually they have inside knowledge, mainly in horse racing.

Indeed.
I worked in the IT side of the betting industry for a few years. While there I took a basic bookies course where they taught you how to be a trader/bookie. Really good.
At the end the trainer, who was a senior trader, asked for questions.
Someone asked how you can win at betting.

His first answer was: don't bet what you can't afford to lose, because the likelihood is you will lose it.
Second answer was: bet on something you know that is niche. He said if you bet on Liverpool v Man Utd, it's likely the traders know what is happening better than you. So it's just luck. If you enjoy the thrill it's great and can make a boring game fun, but the odds are against you.
A pro will study races not on anyones radar or target second division football in Switzerland and try and find lazy odds.
It's really hard work to make a living betting, but it's no different to working the stock exchange. You can make big money, but you are more likely to lose your house.
I bet for fun, but my bets are £5 or less and only on big events

Re: Sky Bet : Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:14 pm  

Match betting is a way to be guaranteed you end up up rather than down but admittedly the offers and boosts to exploit are dwindling and the software of the big boys increasingly sophisticated, making life more difficult.Denise Coates is proof of where the balance of power lies!

Re: Sky Bet : Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:47 pm  

chissitt wrote:

FIL wrote:

On the subject of Sky, my deal comes to an end in 3 weeks, so I will be looking to re-new but hopefully on better terms, for me, not them, as my package is now getting expensive.
So has anyone successfully negotiated down their contract recently ?? (as per Martin Lewis' recommendations)

If you go on to apps and then onto manage my account the monthly charge will tell you what it's going up to in 3 weeks time, mine went up from £101.50 to £116.50, when I told them to shove it they magnanimously offered to reduce it to what it was ok if you trust them, it's not 12 month since they put it up £5 per month from £96.50, a lot of money to pay for adverts second hand sport during the week, women's football, netball, basketball, and the most expensive internet on the market, good luck anyway

We negotiated ours from £125 to £89 a couple of months ago.

Re: Sky Bet : Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:48 pm  

chissitt wrote:

FIL wrote:

On the subject of Sky, my deal comes to an end in 3 weeks, so I will be looking to re-new but hopefully on better terms, for me, not them, as my package is now getting expensive.
So has anyone successfully negotiated down their contract recently ?? (as per Martin Lewis' recommendations)

If you go on to apps and then onto manage my account the monthly charge will tell you what it's going up to in 3 weeks time, mine went up from £101.50 to £116.50, when I told them to shove it they magnanimously offered to reduce it to what it was ok if you trust them, it's not 12 month since they put it up £5 per month from £96.50, a lot of money to pay for adverts second hand sport during the week, women's football, netball, basketball, and the most expensive internet on the market, good luck anyway

We negotiated ours from £125 to £89 a couple of months ago.

Re: Sky Bet : Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:07 am  

wakeytrin wrote:

chissitt wrote:

FIL wrote:

On the subject of Sky, my deal comes to an end in 3 weeks, so I will be looking to re-new but hopefully on better terms, for me, not them, as my package is now getting expensive.
So has anyone successfully negotiated down their contract recently ?? (as per Martin Lewis' recommendations)

If you go on to apps and then onto manage my account the monthly charge will tell you what it's going up to in 3 weeks time, mine went up from £101.50 to £116.50, when I told them to shove it they magnanimously offered to reduce it to what it was ok if you trust them, it's not 12 month since they put it up £5 per month from £96.50, a lot of money to pay for adverts second hand sport during the week, women's football, netball, basketball, and the most expensive internet on the market, good luck anyway

We negotiated ours from £125 to £89 a couple of months ago.

Is that for Sky Q?

Re: Sky Bet : Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:49 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Got mine down by £45/mth a few months ago mate....

Update....our bill was due to rise from £98.50 per month to £122.85 per month as my deal was due to end next week, so I've spoken with Sky Retentions today and negotiated it down to £73 per month including UHD, so over the next 18 months we are set to save £900