Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:50 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

No, they are merely a tool of the modern era.
A dolly tub and washboard work just fine but, a washing machine seems rather more efficient, dont you think.
I'm a long way from being a technological whizz kid, a long way but, if we dont keep up with innovation, how does the world progress.
Dont see too many typing pools these days or people chiseling messages in stone - it's progress

Some of the new stuff is superb and some bloody awful, we all have a choice whether to use it.

"smart enough not to own one" was a bizarre comment, with the inference that they are a total negative, with zero benefits, when I would suggest that for most that have them, they are certainly viewed as beneficial.

Certainly not "bizarre"
As for " if we don't keep up with innovation, how does the world progress." I don't see the world progressing.
And in itself that's a strange comment from you, seeing as you appear to be in full agreement with the multitude of backward steps the world has taken this past 8 months.

Now, I ask again, what benefit will I have from owning a smartphone that I don't already have ?
By the way, I have a non smart flip phone, calls in, calls out, text and a handy calculator. No apps.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:58 am  

Miro wrote:

Ah here we go, ignore the argument, nit pick a throwaway sentence.

Tell me, why do I need a smart phone? Nothing in my life warrants one of these devises. Your over the top analogy is very poor.
"Caveman without a chisel" indeed..

The way I see it future generations will see the smartphone as a ball and chain to be carried around at all costs. Till the chips get inplanted anyway.

Now there's an analogy.

PS I used to own one so I know what I'm supposed to be missing. NOTHING!

Buy, you suggested that you were smart for not owning one.
It's not smart, its, merely your choice

Ask the same question of the under 25's and they would suggest that they (smartphones) were essential.
As for the micro chips, who the hell knows.
Maybe the "weak" will be replaced by machines, controlled by 10G but, is this where the covid argument is really going or should "we" try and deal with the virus and it's effects ?

Maybe we should just point the finger at the Chinese and leave the sci fi for another time.
The virus emanated from over there and yet they are already "up and running" while the rest of us are under restrictions.

If you're looking for conspiracy, this is rather more likely and believable

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:59 am  

djcool wrote:

I agree, my smart devices have been beneficial to keep up with people and as I live on my own, a way to help stop loneliness, if that stop me being smart, so be it

I have no problem with others using a smart phone but I was speaking for myself with maybe a pointer towards the downside of owning one. and there are many.

But if it works for you then fine.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:07 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Buy, you suggested that you were smart for not owning one.
It's not smart, its, merely your choice

Ask the same question of the under 25's and they would suggest that they (smartphones) were essential.
As for the micro chips, who the hell knows.
Maybe the "weak" will be replaced by machines, controlled by 10G but, is this where the covid argument is really going or should "we" try and deal with the virus and it's effects ?

Maybe we should just point the finger at the Chinese and leave the sci fi for another time.
The virus emanated from over there and yet they are already "up and running" while the rest of us are under restrictions.

If you're looking for conspiracy, this is rather more likely and believable

You don't know my circumstances so you have no idea if I'm acting "smart" or not.

Also, I'm not asking the under 25s I'm asking you.

You ask:
"As for the micro chips, who the hell knows"

You really don't want to go there, do you?

As for the Chinese, social crediting will come in here soon enough in conjunction with the vaccine and your "smart" phone. Lets hope your "social credit" score allows you into Belle Vue, or board an airplane etc. Ask the Chinese how that works. Still, anything to keep the .01% safe eh?

Or, a devise around your neck..here kitty kitty ...( but not toooo close)

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:22 am  

Miro wrote:

You don't know my circumstances so you have no idea if I'm acting "smart" or not.

Also, I'm not asking the under 25s I'm asking you.

You ask:
"As for the micro chips, who the hell knows"

You really don't want to go there, do you?

As for the Chinese, social crediting will come in here soon enough. Lets hope your "social credit" score allows you into Belle Vue, or board an airplane etc. Ask the Chinese how that works. Still, anything to keep the .01% safe eh?

The only micro chips that I've eaten were bloody awful, the real ones are much better
As for my social credit, I'll leave that for you to worry about.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:26 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The only micro chips that I've eaten were bloody awful, the real ones are much better
As for my social credit, I'll leave that for you to worry about.

Wonderfully evasive..as per usual.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:52 am  

"No, they (smart phones) are merely a tool of the modern era" "merely" wrencat?? Well if the below is true then god help you in your "modern era" As you can see below, anyone who values free speech, whatever their views, good or bad, right or wrong merely having an enquiring mind will be banned and censored from the majority of smart phones. Mark Zuckerberg's social media site Facebook came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. And then we have Youtube. Tell me wrencat, what else are they withholding from you smart phone users. Yes, I know you can choose not to use these apps but the majority will just log on without a moments thought. Is this the world you want, well, if you do, be very careful what you wish for. And ask yourself this, why are these people, and that includes the BBC, who and what are they so afraid of that they will censor you. Is their argument so weak that they are running scared of any debate? I make no wonder people are so ignorant of what is happening around us....thanks to your "smart" phone. Here we go. The members of the WEF as it happens. From https://www.gmx.com/technology/10250788 ... age-set4-5 October 15, 2020 The video-sharing platform has announced a new effort to crackdown on Covid-19 misinformation, warning it'll ban any clips that contradict expert advice from local health authorities. In a statement, YouTube - which is owned by Google - explained: "A Covid-19 vaccine may be imminent, therefore we're ensuring we have the right policies in place to be able to remove [related] misinformation." According to YouTube - which has come under increasing pressures to crackdown on conspiracy theories and misinformation in recent months - it has already removed 200,000 dangerous or misleading videos about coronavirus. Similarly, Facebook has announced plans to ban ads that discourage people from getting vaccinated. The company introduced the policy in response to recent accusations that it has been profiting from the spread of anti-vaccination posts. The social networking platform explained in a blog post: "Our goal is to help messages about the safety and efficacy of vaccines reach a broad group of people, while prohibiting ads with misinformation that could harm public health efforts." But how? It hasn't been tested safe yet? But never mind, no debate allowed. And for those who fought for freedom in WW11, my 99 year old non covid victim neighbor, for instance, welcome to censorship in the UK, imposed upon us by the good ole U.S.A. Land of the free Mark Zuckerberg's social media site came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. Snapchat was in fifth place, with Skype, TikTok, YouTube, and Twitter also making the top 10. In a blog post, Adithya Venkatraman of App Annie commented: "Communication and social media apps are consumer favorites, accounting for 7 of the top 10 apps by downloads this decade (sic)"

"No, they (smart phones) are merely a tool of the modern era" "merely" wrencat?? Well if the below is true then god help you in your "modern era" As you can see below, anyone who values free speech, whatever their views, good or bad, right or wrong merely having an enquiring mind will be banned and censored from the majority of smart phones. Mark Zuckerberg's social media site Facebook came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. And then we have Youtube. Tell me wrencat, what else are they withholding from you smart phone users. Yes, I know you can choose not to use these apps but the majority will just log on without a moments thought. Is this the world you want, well, if you do, be very careful what you wish for. And ask yourself this, why are these people, and that includes the BBC, who and what are they so afraid of that they will censor you. Is their argument so weak that they are running scared of any debate? I make no wonder people are so ignorant of what is happening around us....thanks to your "smart" phone. Here we go. The members of the WEF as it happens. From https://www.gmx.com/technology/10250788 ... age-set4-5 October 15, 2020 The video-sharing platform has announced a new effort to crackdown on Covid-19 misinformation, warning it'll ban any clips that contradict expert advice from local health authorities. In a statement, YouTube - which is owned by Google - explained: "A Covid-19 vaccine may be imminent, therefore we're ensuring we have the right policies in place to be able to remove [related] misinformation." According to YouTube - which has come under increasing pressures to crackdown on conspiracy theories and misinformation in recent months - it has already removed 200,000 dangerous or misleading videos about coronavirus. Similarly, Facebook has announced plans to ban ads that discourage people from getting vaccinated. The company introduced the policy in response to recent accusations that it has been profiting from the spread of anti-vaccination posts. The social networking platform explained in a blog post: "Our goal is to help messages about the safety and efficacy of vaccines reach a broad group of people, while prohibiting ads with misinformation that could harm public health efforts." But how? It hasn't been tested safe yet? But never mind, no debate allowed. And for those who fought for freedom in WW11, my 99 year old non covid victim neighbor, for instance, welcome to censorship in the UK, imposed upon us by the good ole U.S.A. Land of the free Mark Zuckerberg's social media site came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. Snapchat was in fifth place, with Skype, TikTok, YouTube, and Twitter also making the top 10. In a blog post, Adithya Venkatraman of App Annie commented: "Communication and social media apps are consumer favorites, accounting for 7 of the top 10 apps by downloads this decade (sic)"

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

No, they are merely a tool of the modern era.
A dolly tub and washboard work just fine but, a washing machine seems rather more efficient, dont you think.
I'm a long way from being a technological whizz kid, a long way but, if we dont keep up with innovation, how does the world progress.
Dont see too many typing pools these days or people chiseling messages in stone - it's progress

Some of the new stuff is superb and some bloody awful, we all have a choice whether to use it.

"smart enough not to own one" was a bizarre comment, with the inference that they are a total negative, with zero benefits, when I would suggest that for most that have them, they are certainly viewed as beneficial.

dolly tub and washboard, , that takes me back a few years, but you forgot to mention the clothes mangle, got me fingers trapped between those rollers too many times helping mum when I was a kid, must say I was glad when she got the newfangled twin tub, even though it was on the never never.

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:26 pm  

Miro wrote:

Ah here we go, ignore the argument, nit pick a throwaway sentence.

Tell me, why do I need a smart phone? Nothing in my life warrants one of these devises. Your over the top analogy is very poor.
"Caveman without a chisel" indeed..

The way I see it future generations will see the smartphone as a ball and chain to be carried around at all costs. Till the chips get inplanted anyway.

Now there's an analogy.

PS I used to own one so I know what I'm supposed to be missing. NOTHING!

Now, how about debating the rest of the post, not this selective sniping.

You don't need a Smart phone, but as Wren said, it is modern innovation that helps in many aspects of life. If nothing else, I get the chance to read all your great posts whenever I like.

The fact that you see a smartphone as a ball and chain, simply shows you don't really understand it, so probably better leaving it to the rest of us.
I should actually use your line "Can you explain to me why a Smart phone is not necessary. I would like a full explanation please"

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:35 pm  

PopTart wrote:

You don't need a Smart phone, but as Wren said, it is modern innovation that helps in many aspects of life. If nothing else, I get the chance to read all your great posts whenever I like.

The fact that you see a smartphone as a ball and chain, simply shows you don't really understand it, so probably better leaving it to the rest of us.
I should actually use your line "Can you explain to me why a Smart phone is not necessary. I would like a full explanation please"

Or maybe it simply shows that he does understand it and for him the negatives far outweigh the benefits? Miro maybe full of different ideas, 99% of which I do not agree with but Invasion of privacy is not something that is a question in your smart phone device, it is a fact. Give your phone to anybody that knows anything about it and I guarantee there are multiple apps on there that have access to your microphone, camera, messaging features, browsing etc.

I have to have a smart phone for work purposes but outside of that I choose not to have one, I have a very good friend that works for a worldwide analytics company and it took him about 5 minutes to convince me to get rid of my smart phone.