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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:41 pm  

Miro wrote: "No, they (smart phones) are merely a tool of the modern era" "merely" wrencat?? Well if the below is true then god help you in your "modern era" As you can see below, anyone who values free speech, whatever their views, good or bad, right or wrong merely having an enquiring mind will be banned and censored from the majority of smart phones. Mark Zuckerberg's social media site Facebook came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. And then we have Youtube. Tell me wrencat, what else are they withholding from you smart phone users. Yes, I know you can choose not to use these apps but the majority will just log on without a moments thought. Is this the world you want, well, if you do, be very careful what you wish for. And ask yourself this, why are these people, and that includes the BBC, who and what are they so afraid of that they will censor you. Is their argument so weak that they are running scared of any debate? I make no wonder people are so ignorant of what is happening around us....thanks to your "smart" phone. Here we go. The members of the WEF as it happens. From https://www.gmx.com/technology/10250788 ... age-set4-5 October 15, 2020 The video-sharing platform has announced a new effort to crackdown on Covid-19 misinformation, warning it'll ban any clips that contradict expert advice from local health authorities. In a statement, YouTube - which is owned by Google - explained: "A Covid-19 vaccine may be imminent, therefore we're ensuring we have the right policies in place to be able to remove [related] misinformation." According to YouTube - which has come under increasing pressures to crackdown on conspiracy theories and misinformation in recent months - it has already removed 200,000 dangerous or misleading videos about coronavirus. Similarly, Facebook has announced plans to ban ads that discourage people from getting vaccinated. The company introduced the policy in response to recent accusations that it has been profiting from the spread of anti-vaccination posts. The social networking platform explained in a blog post: "Our goal is to help messages about the safety and efficacy of vaccines reach a broad group of people, while prohibiting ads with misinformation that could harm public health efforts." But how? It hasn't been tested safe yet? But never mind, no debate allowed. And for those who fought for freedom in WW11, my 99 year old non covid victim neighbor, for instance, welcome to censorship in the UK, imposed upon us by the good ole U.S.A. Land of the free Mark Zuckerberg's social media site came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. Snapchat was in fifth place, with Skype, TikTok, YouTube, and Twitter also making the top 10. In a blog post, Adithya Venkatraman of App Annie commented: "Communication and social media apps are consumer favorites, accounting for 7 of the top 10 apps by downloads this decade (sic)" Jeez another thing for you to o running around shouting the sky is falling in. Misinformation is a massive problem on social media and I'm glad someone is trying to manage it. However, before you cry foul about the censorship, you don't even know the criteria they are going to use, or the timescale to even do it, yet you are using a veteran to make an inaccurate point. And if we are being fair here, censorship would be when they stop you expressing your views. Not being able to express your views on YouTube is not the same thing. They have as much right to freedom of choice as you do. Its a private company. You can express your fake news on other social media sites I'm sure. As you don't believe in Smart Phones though it shouldn't be a problem.

Miro wrote: "No, they (smart phones) are merely a tool of the modern era" "merely" wrencat?? Well if the below is true then god help you in your "modern era" As you can see below, anyone who values free speech, whatever their views, good or bad, right or wrong merely having an enquiring mind will be banned and censored from the majority of smart phones. Mark Zuckerberg's social media site Facebook came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. And then we have Youtube. Tell me wrencat, what else are they withholding from you smart phone users. Yes, I know you can choose not to use these apps but the majority will just log on without a moments thought. Is this the world you want, well, if you do, be very careful what you wish for. And ask yourself this, why are these people, and that includes the BBC, who and what are they so afraid of that they will censor you. Is their argument so weak that they are running scared of any debate? I make no wonder people are so ignorant of what is happening around us....thanks to your "smart" phone. Here we go. The members of the WEF as it happens. From https://www.gmx.com/technology/10250788 ... age-set4-5 October 15, 2020 The video-sharing platform has announced a new effort to crackdown on Covid-19 misinformation, warning it'll ban any clips that contradict expert advice from local health authorities. In a statement, YouTube - which is owned by Google - explained: "A Covid-19 vaccine may be imminent, therefore we're ensuring we have the right policies in place to be able to remove [related] misinformation." According to YouTube - which has come under increasing pressures to crackdown on conspiracy theories and misinformation in recent months - it has already removed 200,000 dangerous or misleading videos about coronavirus. Similarly, Facebook has announced plans to ban ads that discourage people from getting vaccinated. The company introduced the policy in response to recent accusations that it has been profiting from the spread of anti-vaccination posts. The social networking platform explained in a blog post: "Our goal is to help messages about the safety and efficacy of vaccines reach a broad group of people, while prohibiting ads with misinformation that could harm public health efforts." But how? It hasn't been tested safe yet? But never mind, no debate allowed. And for those who fought for freedom in WW11, my 99 year old non covid victim neighbor, for instance, welcome to censorship in the UK, imposed upon us by the good ole U.S.A. Land of the free Mark Zuckerberg's social media site came out on top, according to a report from research company App Annie. Facebook's other apps, Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram also made the top 5. Snapchat was in fifth place, with Skype, TikTok, YouTube, and Twitter also making the top 10. In a blog post, Adithya Venkatraman of App Annie commented: "Communication and social media apps are consumer favorites, accounting for 7 of the top 10 apps by downloads this decade (sic)" Jeez another thing for you to o running around shouting the sky is falling in. Misinformation is a massive problem on social media and I'm glad someone is trying to manage it. However, before you cry foul about the censorship, you don't even know the criteria they are going to use, or the timescale to even do it, yet you are using a veteran to make an inaccurate point. And if we are being fair here, censorship would be when they stop you expressing your views. Not being able to express your views on YouTube is not the same thing. They have as much right to freedom of choice as you do. Its a private company. You can express your fake news on other social media sites I'm sure. As you don't believe in Smart Phones though it shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:45 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

Or maybe it simply shows that he does understand it and for him the negatives far outweigh the benefits? Miro maybe full of different ideas, 99% of which I do not agree with but Invasion of privacy is not something that is a question in your smart phone device, it is a fact. Give your phone to anybody that knows anything about it and I guarantee there are multiple apps on there that have access to your microphone, camera, messaging features, browsing etc.

I have to have a smart phone for work purposes but outside of that I choose not to have one, I have a very good friend that works for a worldwide analytics company and it took him about 5 minutes to convince me to get rid of my smart phone.

So, if you ask one of those people who know about smart phones, they'll show you how to not download those apps in the first place as they tell you what permissions they will need, or remove that access from that app.
Did your analytics friend tell you to take the battery out and trash the Sim card like they do on the movies?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:58 pm  

PopTart wrote:

So, if you ask one of those people who know about smart phones, they'll show you how to not download those apps in the first place as they tell you what permissions they will need, or remove that access from that app.
Did your analytics friend tell you to take the battery out and trash the Sim card like they do on the movies?

No he did not, it is just a lifestyle choice made, I haven't disrespected or undermined anyone that chooses to use a smart phone maybe unlike others, I have just said for me the negatives outweigh the positives and also some of what people see as positives i.e. instant access to social media in my life I see as a negative for various reasons.

Also, you assume that I am talking about the apps there that are visible on the manage my apps in your settings, that you can switch permissions on and off, or that you can remove or download at your apparel, I am not.

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:36 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

No he did not, it is just a lifestyle choice made, I haven't disrespected or undermined anyone that chooses to use a smart phone maybe unlike others, I have just said for me the negatives outweigh the positives and also some of what people see as positives i.e. instant access to social media in my life I see as a negative for various reasons.

Also, you assume that I am talking about the apps there that are visible on the manage my apps in your settings, that you can switch permissions on and off, or that you can remove or download at your apparel, I am not.

OK I get your point.
I guess the point is the same as someone made above, in that the future will judge whether we are right but for me I'm not too worried about it.
The ones I know about I manage. I don't always put my location on but I get a good benefit from smart apps knowing where I am. I don't really have anything to hide about where I am but it's still sensitive information by definition should be locked down.
I have a virus checker on my phone which does reviews about the apps you talk about.
Many of the issues associated with Smart phones are on your laptop too though.

If you have Netflix you should watch The Social Dilemma. You'll love it.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:39 pm  

PopTart wrote:

OK I get your point.
I guess the point is the same as someone made above, in that the future will judge whether we are right but for me I'm not too worried about it.
The ones I know about I manage. I don't always put my location on but I get a good benefit from smart apps knowing where I am. I don't really have anything to hide about where I am but it's still sensitive information by definition should be locked down.
I have a virus checker on my phone which does reviews about the apps you talk about.
Many of the issues associated with Smart phones are on your laptop too though.

If you have Netflix you should watch The Social Dilemma. You'll love it.

I saw the trailer for that actually, sometimes the less you know the better about these things!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:18 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Buy, you suggested that you were smart for not owning one.
It's not smart, its, merely your choice

Ask the same question of the under 25's and they would suggest that they (smartphones) were essential.
As for the micro chips, who the hell knows.
Maybe the "weak" will be replaced by machines, controlled by 10G but, is this where the covid argument is really going or should "we" try and deal with the virus and it's effects ?

Maybe we should just point the finger at the Chinese and leave the sci fi for another time.
The virus emanated from over there and yet they are already "up and running" while the rest of us are under restrictions.

If you're looking for conspiracy, this is rather more likely and believable

smart phones are intrusive with the amount of apps and says it linking you to ads that gain information about your self but you can hardly call it a threat, bit bazaar for a businessman not to use one but if your paranoid about the world having a new order it's understandable

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Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:16 pm  

Your Sat Nav knows where you are.
Your bank can follow you with credit and debit card payments
If you shop online the likes of Asda and Tesco know your preferences and where you live...... Amazon delivery guy knows me better than my mum does.
If you get food delivered they know your address and card details too.
Lets not even get into social media.

At least you can control some of the stuff on a Smart Phone.
They are all great modern day tools that just need to be understood to get the best out of them.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:22 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Your Sat Nav knows where you are.
Your bank can follow you with credit and debit card payments
If you shop online the likes of Asda and Tesco know your preferences and where you live...... Amazon delivery guy knows me better than my mum does.
If you get food delivered they know your address and card details too.
Lets not even get into social media.

At least you can control some of the stuff on a Smart Phone.
They are all great modern day tools that just need to be understood to get the best out of them.

I am told its easier to listen in to a landline than a mobile,

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:56 pm  

PopTart wrote:

You don't need a Smart phone, but as Wren said, it is modern innovation that helps in many aspects of life. If nothing else, I get the chance to read all your great posts whenever I like.

The fact that you see a smartphone as a ball and chain, simply shows you don't really understand it, so probably better leaving it to the rest of us.
I should actually use your line "Can you explain to me why a Smart phone is not necessary. I would like a full explanation please"

I see, answer a question with a question. Hmm, very good.
As for the ball and chain analogy I'm happy that Homme Vaste cleared that up though I'm not surprised that the thought had never occurred to you. I suppose I presume people know what I'm referring to..my bad it seems.

Now PopTart, as you often have a tendency to go to ground whenever I challenge you can I remind you of this question.

Now PopTart, can you tell me why you have so much faith in the 1% and those land grabbing, polluting corporations and their political allies that they will see you alright in this great re-set.

Now this post from you that answered Dunkirk Spirits question I don't understand.
When I raised the problem that many of the death figures registered (of covid) being bogus I was accused of “fake news”. You know, that term that no one ever backs up.

Yet here you are promoting fakery (proven) simply because a “medical professional” signed the certificate. Just like your faith in the 1% do you somehow revere your “betters” to the point of ignoring all other explanations?


Dunkirk Spirit wrote:
I’m not looking for an argument PT, but can you give me a valid reason for why death certificates are showing cause of death “Covid 19, just because they were tested positive within the previous 28 days before death. Some in the medical profession find this strange.

PopTart
Of course I can't give you a good reason. I'm not a medical professional.
But the medical professional that did sign it decided that was the right thing to do, so I'm ok with it

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm  

snowie wrote:

smart phones are intrusive with the amount of apps and says it linking you to ads that gain information about your self but you can hardly call it a threat, bit bazaar for a businessman not to use one but if your paranoid about the world having a new order it's understandable

Bazaar Snowie? You don't know many business men past or present then.

"Paranoid" Love ya Snowie, dive in, quick disparaging remark, no back up and then lie low.