: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:02 pm  

mutley cat wrote:

thats why we have a cap in place to force your hand with the younger ones .

What do you want cause your confusing the hell out me.

Utter rubish again there are more foreign players in the League than there have ever been, infact we had to introduce a new rule so as to bring down these numbers.

The cap is in place to stop clubs overspending and getting into financial difficulties which is why i agree with it.

Limiting it to the level it is though without linking it to a clubs turnover simple ensures that clubs who are commecially successfull are penalised and brought down to the level of those that are not.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:04 pm  

jonh wrote:

Utter rubish again there are more foreign players in the League than there have ever been, infact we had to introduce a new rule so as to bring down these numbers.

The cap is in place to stop clubs overspending and getting into financial difficulties which is why i agree with it.

Limiting it to the level it is though without linking it to a clubs turnover simple ensures that clubs who are commecially successfull are penalised and brought down to the level of those that are not.

So you dont want a level playing field then?

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:05 pm  

the game over here is absolutely junk, no skill, no flare just robots. unless you are involved at grass roots over a period to see how bad it is then you just dont know. the junior coaching is pathetic, too many coaches in it for themselves and not the players. the ones who move on to jobs in the rfl talk that much crap its unreal. absorbing, abstracting, too small at 12, wrong shape feet to play. the games run by morons, puppets and clones. john knows whats going on and i agree 100% with him apart from the skill in juniors side. my lad went down to a cross code rugby tag tourny at rugby school a couple of year ago and the skill level of the union kids was greater than the league boys and girls they could all catch and pass. garry schofield played in australia and played for gb by the time he was 19 whos as good as him. people want to stop burying their heads in the sand.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:05 pm  

Gahan wrote:

And we won how many cups when Wigan were top bringing in Miles, Kenny, Renouf, Bell etc etc

I'm sure I recall Wakey signing Ray Price and Wally Lewis.

Nobody minds top players over here.

Oh and we were a lot closer then than we are now.

Have a look at the Wales 95 team
Harris, Devereux, Bateman, Gibbs, Sullivan, Davies, Ellis, Young, Cunningham, Skerrett, Moriatey, Quennel and Eyres.

That was a better team than we sent to Australia in 2008.

Have look for the England team in 1995.

Then tell me the standard is higher today.

We're moving to the LOWEST common denominator.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:09 pm  

Gahan wrote:

So you dont want a level playing field then?

No i want a clubs to compete and work to increase there ability to spend, ensuring that the more comercially successfull a team is and the more effort it puts in the more it should be rewarded with the ability to spend on its team.

If a club is able to spend on wages and afford it why should they not be allowed to.

Rather than raising standards why should some clubs be limited in improving themselves and play in a comp that does not reward them for being successfull off the field.

I am all for a cap but not in its current form.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:09 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

the game over here is absolutely junk, no skill, no flare just robots. unless you are involved at grass roots over a period to see how bad it is then you just dont know. the junior coaching is pathetic, too many coaches in it for themselves and not the players. the ones who move on to jobs in the rfl talk that much crap its unreal. absorbing, abstracting, too small at 12, wrong shape feet to play. the games run by morons, puppets and clones. john knows whats going on and i agree 100% with him apart from the skill in juniors side. my lad went down to a cross code rugby tag tourny at rugby school a couple of year ago and the skill level of the union kids was greater than the league boys and girls they could all catch and pass. garry schofield played in australia and played for gb by the time he was 19 whos as good as him. people want to stop burying their heads in the sand.

OK!

So who do you blame and what can be done about it?

Seems to me that we need one body running this and that it would be best to bring Junior rugby in line with our professional game - i.e. summer, when the skills are easier to teach / practice / carry out?

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:11 pm  

IngsRoader wrote:

I thought we'd seen that last of Thatcherism but clearly it is a live and well in Wigan.

So one or teams being strong through splashing the cash is good for RL in general is the the most absurb comment I have heard in a long, long time.

Comunist countries are renound for there success and content peoples.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:12 pm  

jonh wrote:

No i want a clubs to compete and work to increase there ability to spend, ensuring that the more comercially successfull a team is and the more effort it puts in the more it should be rewarded with the ability to spend on its team.

Are not all teams aiming for that?

Seems to me most clubs are putting the effort in to improve themselves, in the last 5-10 years i would say 95% of teams have seen an increase in attendances, merchandising etc

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:18 pm  

jonh wrote:

I was not looking at it from a performance point of view simply a basic skills point of view inability to pass, accuratley, catch etc etc.

Its the corner stone skills of our game that we pride ourselves on as a code and we are now failing to do it with our best players in an International environment.

Unions success as a code is based upon a strong International game, the longer we fail in this and even worse alow young international players to leave our code and shrug our shoulders saying well its not my team the more our code will suffer.

There is no coincidence many Aussies were not too upset by the Kiwi win at the World Cup as they saw the bigger picture its a shame many in the UK cannot see that.

I think we all know that the performance of the England rugby league team in the World Cup was down to many things.

The same players that were unable to show their ability in Australia would normaly perform to a standard way in excess of anything the RU boys are capable of.

Lets not forget that the intensity of the Union games is significantly lower than that of any Pro league game. It's easier to produce when the defence you're facing isn't relentlesly pressurising you for the ful 80 mins.

There's also the fact that in Union the game has far more breaks in play so fatigue is less of a contributory factor in the quality of play.

In all the areas of commonality, Rugby Union is a long way behind.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:21 pm  

It seems, as with most things in life now, everybody wants/expects instant changes and instant results.

Standards in skill and application in British RL have been slipping for over 30 years and correcting them is going to take time, a long time.

The salary cap and the emphasis on team's youth development, in terms of time, is only embryonic and must be given more time, but the seeds are there for all to see - at Belle Vue, Cas, Leeds, Hull, even Wigan. Let's just give it time and forget about the sugar-daddy clubs whimperings.