Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:16 pm  

True but not when there is nothing to be gained, he threw a 10 yard pass to BJB on sunday who got smashed as he was catching the ball. That was in our own twenty and surely not worth the risk.

Personal opinion is that in recent games he looks scared when on the ball, not just kick returns. He seems to have stopped backing himself near the opponents line even when there is a gap. Also some of his defensive efforts have been extremely poor. As I said, watch the Regan Grace try back and have a look at his effort.

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:19 pm  

TheMightyTrin wrote:

So the next question is this then, why did Max not do this last year/ this year, if it is in a game plan for the full back to avoid any contact?

Max Jowitt is probably better at returning kicks than Grix is whereas Grix's strengths are in other areas where Max Jowitt is weaker. Would you rather Grix took all the returns in? I wouldn't, MCB and BJB are both faster and better kick returners and it leaves Grix free to start organising the attack.

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:19 pm  

TheMightyTrin wrote:

So the next question is this then, why did Max not do this last year/ this year, if it is in a game plan for the full back to avoid any contact?

Because of course the game plan never, ever changes from one season to the next...? In fact, why aren't we still doing 5 drives and a kick like Kear used to do?!

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:25 pm  

TheMightyTrin wrote:

I said the same regarding Grix and his positioning on sunday,

I feel that if he had made more of an effort to do his job and get to the ball first, rather than trying to block off Makinson for his first, then he could have stopped the try.

Also, why does Scott Grix feel the need to pass the ball on kick return every time?! some were in very dubious circumstances and actually left us in a worse position than if Grix had have just run forwards and taken the tackle.

For me, it is time to give Max a go. I think it has been said regularly over the last 1-2 months that he was our best player early on in the season and I agree, but how long can you give someone based on their performances in feb-may?

Jowitt to start against hudds.

Totally agree. Too many errors over the past few weeks

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:52 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Do you not think it could be that the game plan is set up in such a way that certain players do avoid heavy contact? Does Liam Finn routinely run into a 3 man tackle for example, or does he preserve himself by spinning the ball out and setting up a move? There are smaller pivots on the pitch who wouldn't last a full game if they were being smashed by forwards on a regular basis - and most fb's are now acting as pivots - so it seems entirely reasonable that they aren't expected to be involved in big collisions.

To suggest that Scott Grix is in any way a shirker, is just shameful.

bren2k wrote:

Because of course the game plan never, ever changes from one season to the next...? In fact, why aren't we still doing 5 drives and a kick like Kear used to do?!

So, you suggest that a FB as a position acts as a pivot, so doesnt get involved in the collisions as part of a game plan. Yet when Max has played this season, he hasn't avoided the collisions......

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:00 pm  

TheMightyTrin wrote:

So, you suggest that a FB as a position acts as a pivot, so doesnt get involved in the collisions as part of a game plan. Yet when Max has played this season, he hasn't avoided the collisions......

He doesn't avoid collisions though does he? He just passes to a winger if the pass is on, probably since his coach tells him to do that.

I think Max Jowitt is a good player but the way some people talk about him on here you'd think we had one of the Aussie immortals being kept out of the team. There was even a guy on here who knew some Dewsbury fans and he said they weren't particularly that impressed by Max Jowitt when he was on loan there.

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:27 pm  

jakeyg95 wrote:

He doesn't avoid collisions though does he? He just passes to a winger if the pass is on, probably since his coach tells him to do that.

I think Max Jowitt is a good player but the way some people talk about him on here you'd think we had one of the Aussie immortals being kept out of the team. There was even a guy on here who knew some Dewsbury fans and he said they weren't particularly that impressed by Max Jowitt when he was on loan there.

You don't really like other peoples opinions do you.

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:37 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Because of course the game plan never, ever changes from one season to the next...? In fact, why aren't we still doing 5 drives and a kick like Kear used to do?!

There were lots of times in last Sunday's game when I thought we were. How many times did you see the ball pass between more than two pairs of hands and out to the wings? Alright, the defense were very quick off the mark (offside?) and closed us down, but there didn't seem many attempts to move the ball along the line.

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:40 pm  

Red, White and Blue wrote:

So if it's nothing to do with favourites (this is professional sport), why do you think he's not being selected??? Could it be that the coaches (who see the players all the time) don't feel the time is right for Max. I do really rate Max, but having said that, his one on one defence was embarrassing, so hopefully all that is being worked on.

Happy to leave this to CC to manage.

Can't understand why he's not selected, because I believe Grix is looking a little jaded, I agree with some others on here: why was he dropped after that Salford performance?

Re: Jowitt : Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:53 pm  

Sorry lads but i cant stand this max v grix debate , the kids called jowitt ,fox was foxy ,poynton was poynton , any thing else is pathetic. Grix makes mistakes yes but he can win a game , ive said it before jowitts a good support player but he cant tackle , ive heard folk on here talk about grixies positional play, com,on never seen young jowitt get within a couple of yards of anyone scoring a try agains us .,why do you think jowitt if hes as good as some say on here isnt getting his chance , the coach thinks grix is the best choice ,simple