Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:12 am  

On a more serious note – I tend to agree with Vastman. They are a shonky operators chancing their arm – MC, the trust etc may well feel the time is right for the legal route and I’d back that.

This lumps huge pressure on the council leadership now if the national press show a wider interest. I fancy Box and co-consipirators on the council will jump soon sadly they’ll be taking nice public pensions with them when some might suggest a bit of prison time was more appropriate.

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:49 am  

vastman wrote:

I have instructed my solicitors to inform you that I am the love child of Elvis Presley.

The above statement has the same validity as that of Yorkcourt solicitors statement.

If you pay them enough they will say it but it doesn’t make it correct or even mean they believe it.

Yorkcourt are fishing, they are testing the resolve of the opposition. They are doing so because the opposition is annoying them by stopping them doing what they do best - buy ridiculously cheap then sell at huge profits.

However there comes a point where they need to move the goods and it looks like we are now at that point. To me this is a good thing because at least we know where we stand and can fight fire with fire.


That site has great value and if Yorkcourt can’t make it work it won’t be long before they are under pressure from those who can and who in turn may be a little more reasonable.

Also as an aside Box is now under real pressure for numerous reasons so hopefully this will only speed his demise.

So not bad news imho.

Spot on! I think and hope we are reaching a point where the gloves come off.

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:24 pm  

I would suggest that Yorkcourt have only ever seen the Stadium plan as the tool that opened the land for development. A stadium and the problems that it brings to a commercial site that's targeted at warehousing/storage would not sit well with the developer or their tenants, every few weeks and influx of traffic and pedestrians impeding the day to day business activities of the rent paying tenants. A stadium could well put off prospective commercial tenants. My view is that a weak maybe even inept council allowed it to develop and I would suggest the council leadership could be seen in much the same way.


Yorkcourt may use every obstacle possible to deter any stadium development at Newmarket because I do believe that the stadium is not part of their business plan.


An unlikely scenario but a deal that keeps Trinity at a redeveloped Belle Vue brokered between the Council, Yorkcourt, 88M and the Club would be the grown up solution rather than all parties coughing up funds for legal action. Such a scenario relies on people doing the decent thing Mr Carter and Mr Brereton I have absolute faith in, Manni at 88M I cannot say, clearly a shrewd businessman hopefully he can see a redeveloped BV as a good investment, sadly Wakefield Council and Yorkcourt would need a serious shift in attitude. Lets hope that the last two eventually see that allowing this to drag on further is damaging for all concerned.


These are my personal views and opinions.


They are submitted against the background of years of flannel, mainly from the Council and Yorkcourt with the most pathetic and valueless comment coming out on a regular basis being 'we are working hard to solve this' perhaps if they stopped working hard and tried working efficiently they could actually achieve something. Next time they trot out this standby sound bite ask them to explain what they are actually doing, my guess you'll get a bit more flannel but worth doing putting them on the spot

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:11 pm  

JINJER wrote:

Human error is always a good one, and strangely enough the solicitor for WMDC resigned a few weeks since, scapegoat anyone?

Nah ! Quite honestly I think she is bloody clueless and knows less about the wrong doings at Newmarket than most on here.


The smart money thinks the original legal advice was also from Gaitleys and a similar letter was drafted and the council accepted it 100% on face value and buckled under. They never had the gumption to take their own legal advice from a skilled independent lawyer and just rolled over for their tummies to be tickled.

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:57 pm  

The whole debacle has been an indication of what a greedy, unethical creed and system large-scale capitalism is, and the behaviour of the likes of RM Walker, Yorkcourt & 88M highlight just what was at one time termed: "The uaccceptable face of Capitalism". These men (?) have just lined their pockets at the expense of the citizens of Wakefield with the so-called socialist council leader being no better. They should all be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and Walker should be relieved of his "Freeman of the City" award RIGHT NOW!!!

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:37 pm  

Whilst trawling the web for info on Yorkcourt and others involved in the sorry saga of Newmarket I came across an article on Insider Media written by Stephen Farrell, Digital Staff Writer all about the Kitwave aka Clarks deal for a new distribution hub having been settled. Nowhere in the article does it mention 'subject to planning permission' does Stephen, Kitwave, Henry Boot and the wonderful chaps at Yorkcourt know something we don't. The article all reads very positive about how wonderful the deal is, published in July this year wishful thinking or something deeper!

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:13 pm  

Redscat wrote:

The whole debacle has been an indication of what a greedy, unethical creed and system large-scale capitalism is, and the behaviour of the likes of RM Walker, Yorkcourt & 88M highlight just what was at one time termed: "The uaccceptable face of Capitalism". These men (?) have just lined their pockets at the expense of the citizens of Wakefield with the so-called socialist council leader being no better. They should all be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and Walker should be relieved of his "Freeman of the City" award RIGHT NOW!!!

To be honest I don’t think politics or capitalism really come into it. There are good socialists and good conservatives ditto good businessmen and bad. It human nature that’s unacceptable in some people and we are unfortunate enough to have come across a shed load of it unfortunately.

Another man/women in power and a different developer with a more rounded view and we’d have been in MM two to three years ago.

Where this stadium is concerned we have been incredibly unlucky at every turn - maybe that might change soon, it needs to.

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:07 pm  

Brian Briggs Ghost wrote:

Andrew Piatt signee of the letter from Gateley Solicitors has an interesting resumee on their website. Advising Yorkcourt for years, advised Langtree on the development of St Helens ground & is a Warrington Wolves supporter.

We worked WITH Andrew when they wanted our assistance!

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:09 pm  

vastman wrote:

To be honest I don’t think politics or capitalism really come into it. There are good socialists and good conservatives ditto good businessmen and bad. It human nature that’s unacceptable in some people and we are unfortunate enough to have come across a shed load of it unfortunately.

Another man/women in power and a different developer with a more rounded view and we’d have been in MM two to three years ago.

Where this stadium is concerned we have been incredibly unlucky at every turn - maybe that might change soon, it needs to.

Agree. You can have whatever Political beliefs you want but where business is concerned there are plenty of businessmen from both sides of the political spectrum around, that have good strong morals and ethics, who also mage to make money while maintaining them. it's just that those that are shysters get more noticed than those of us that aren't.

Like you say if this development had been in the hands of a bigger developer who was all about, getting planning, building the place out, making money and moving onto their next project, we wouldn't be talking about this now.

Re: We are not getting a penny say yorkcourts solicitiors : Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:16 pm  

vastman wrote:

To be honest I don’t think politics or capitalism really come into it. There are good socialists and good conservatives ditto good businessmen and bad. It human nature that’s unacceptable in some people and we are unfortunate enough to have come across a shed load of it unfortunately.

Another man/women in power and a different developer with a more rounded view and we’d have been in MM two to three years ago.

Where this stadium is concerned we have been incredibly unlucky at every turn - maybe that might change soon, it needs to.

Don't quite agree Vasty. I've no quaims about the small businessman who makes enough for a nice house, nice car and nice holiday, but ever since a certain female (?) prime minister of the eighties who instilled into the businesses of this country that greed was the new God and to make as much money for yourself and stuff the rest of us, then this has become the mantra for large businesses, and manifests itself in the Yorkcourts, 88Ms and Rodney Myersdcough Walkers of this world . Wakefield Trinity RLFC and the citizens of Wakefield are the ones who suffer whilst they count the pound notes.
As for being "Unlucky at every turn", Vasty, luck has not come into it . It's all been a very cleverly construed conspiracy to make vast amounts of money out of thee and me and 340,000 others.