Re: England team : Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:36 pm  

Redscat wrote:

I was hoping that Makinson wouldn't have quite the game that he did have as it would mean TJ having his nose pushed out. I can't see Bennett being the sort of person that would play Johnstone next week.

Call me patriotic but I cannot watch an England match hoping a player does not perform to the best of his ability. Makinson was deservedly MoM and his performance edged a great game for us.

Re: England team : Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 pm  

gastric band wrote:

Call me patriotic but I cannot watch an England match hoping a player does not perform to the best of his ability. Makinson was deservedly MoM and his performance edged a great game for us.

I agree with you gastrick, but I would have preferred that hat trick to have been performed by someone else
who didn't pose a threat to TJ's selection. even Tomkins. Yes, he definitely deserved the MoM.

Re: England team : Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:45 pm  

QwerkyCat wrote:

If that's your opinion then that's your opinion... Johnstone has already played for England though.

Similar comment to someone else's on here, put Manfredi in the Wakefield, Hull KR, Salford side and how many tries does he score? I'm afraid I don't see him as all that.

Yeah I could have worded it better but I mean he’ll get in before Johnstone does again. Manfredi was the best winger in the league before his injury and looked to be getting back to his best at the end of the season. And the last comment is terrible imo because you could say the exact same about Johnstone. It’s not all about tries and Manfredi is the best winger on kick returns imo and is better than Tom defensively.

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Re: England team : Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:48 pm  

KingRoss11 wrote:

Yeah I could have worded it better but I mean he’ll get in before Johnstone does again. Manfredi was the best winger in the league before his injury and looked to be getting back to his best at the end of the season. And the last comment is terrible imo because you could say the exact same about Johnstone. It’s not all about tries and Manfredi is the best winger on kick returns imo and is better than Tom defensively.

You need to speak to Bennett then not us.
Please do come back and tell us what he says.

Re: England team : Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:55 am  

That performance from Makinson has proved that WB had it right - he was absolute class, in attack and defence; it's a fact that he's a more rounded player than TJ right now, and regardless of club affinity, anyone with any insight into the game would be going out on a limb to gainsay that.

TJ will have a good international career - but Makinson is outstanding.

Re: England team : Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:21 am  

bren2k wrote:

That performance from Makinson has proved that WB had it right - he was absolute class, in attack and defence; it's a fact that he's a more rounded player than TJ right now, and regardless of club affinity, anyone with any insight into the game would be going out on a limb to gainsay that.

TJ will have a good international career - but Makinson is outstanding.

Sorry but he's not outstanding Bren by any stretcg - one outstanding game doesn't give you that kudos in my book =- nor do I think he's a more rounded player, don't know where you get that? Opinions I suppose will always differ.

Re: England team : Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:59 am  

Compare Makinson to Johnstone on stats, would anyone be surprised if Makinson was to make a move to Centre rather than the Wing?

Makinson scored 11 tries to Johnstones 24 less than half, Makinson made over 100 more tackles than Johnstone, 6 more assists, carried the ball more and made 20 less clean breaks (according to the SL website). There's no doubt he can finish but these stats to me say that he spends more time further infield than he does on the wing.

Re: England team : Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:24 pm  

vastman wrote:

Sorry but he's not outstanding Bren by any stretcg - one outstanding game doesn't give you that kudos in my book =- nor do I think he's a more rounded player, don't know where you get that? Opinions I suppose will always differ.

I think he's more rounded because he does much more, and better, work in defence - but as an attacking threat, I'd say there's not much between them.

Interesting stats that Qwerkycat provided - maybe he is gravitating towards being a centre, whereas TJ appears to be an out and out winger.

Please note - none of what I said is a criticism of TJ; I think he's an exceptional talent.

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Re: England team : Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:46 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I think he's more rounded because he does much more, and better, work in defence - but as an attacking threat, I'd say there's not much between them.

Interesting stats that Qwerkycat provided - maybe he is gravitating towards being a centre, whereas TJ appears to be an out and out winger.

Please note - none of what I said is a criticism of TJ; I think he's an exceptional talent.

I agree on all counts.
It isn't an either/or. Both can be great talents but only one can have that wing spot and right now TM is the better player for that International spot.