Re: Time for some honesty. : Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:42 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't get the boring and dull thing.
OK the last game wasn't great but we weren't dull against Wigan the week before or in many many other games.

There are things to fix.... Mainly in the half backs and team organisers.... But they are fixable.

We were. If it weren’t for Johnstone’s bit of magic there was hardly anything to shout about. Every time we got to Wigan’s line we had no idea what to do and the attack fizzled out.

Re: Time for some honesty. : Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:21 pm  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

Something seems so wrong with this club at the moment.

How can we go toe to toe one week, against one of the top sides over the past 30 years, and then serve up something like this.

We have a coach, with 5 wins in about 23 games, an ex NRL player as captain, who seems undroppable, despite his last half decent game 2 seasons ago.

Add to this, our self appointed CEO goes away from social media. I do recall him saying when he became chairman back in August 2013, that the club need to be more transparent.

wigan was just as bad as us last week that is why we stuck with them ,

Re: Time for some honesty. : Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:27 pm  

Willzay wrote:

We were. If it weren’t for Johnstone’s bit of magic there was hardly anything to shout about. Every time we got to Wigan’s line we had no idea what to do and the attack fizzled out.

we have been terrible attacking our own line for about 3 years
Havent had a organzing halfback since tim smith

Re: Time for some honesty. : Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:03 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't get the boring and dull thing.
OK the last game wasn't great but we weren't dull against Wigan the week before or in many many other games.

There are things to fix.... Mainly in the half backs and team organisers.... But they are fixable.

I am sorry but we are dull and were so against Wigan, the score was close but our 80 minute performance was basically dull and clueless like the vast majority of recent games. We do have many things to sort out, organisation, a kicking game, an attack and some sort of defence. If you look at Castleford tonight they threw the ball around, had a kicking game and defended for each other. I don’t know how many times I have seen our line being outflanked because we do not have the numbers.
The team spirit that would once have got us through games appear to have been squashed.

Re: Time for some honesty. : Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:32 am  

What worries me in all this playing debacle is that we have to start selling season tickets with these performances fresh in the fans minds .Now I know the die hards will buy no matter what but it’s going to be a hard sell to anyone else,we desperately need the team to pull together and put some stirring performances back on the pitch as the damage this is doing to the fan base will have repercussions for years to come .

Re: Time for some honesty. : Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:45 am  

Kirmudgeonly wrote:

I think that is an issue but at the root of our problems is our lack of ball control and errors , completion rate has been abysmal for two years, penalty count the same. If you don’t complete your sets and give the opposition multiple chances in your own half - any team will lose .

Good clubs control the ball and play in the opposing half

Combination of the lack of control and our consistently atrocious kicking game Is where we consistently fail

Absolute bang on post coupled with silly penalties you have our problem.

This is the key area all the slagging off of coaches and players is laughable at times it's all about the basics and for a long time we are failing at this when we click we can give anyone a game when we don't we can be woeful. You get games when it doesn't happen but there are some areas where we can reduce the pressure on us.

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Re: Time for some honesty. : Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:31 am  

BOJ042 wrote:

wigan was just as bad as us last week that is why we stuck with them ,

And yet they are top of the league.

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Re: Time for some honesty. : Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:38 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

Absolute bang on post coupled with silly penalties you have our problem.

This is the key area all the slagging off of coaches and players is laughable at times it's all about the basics and for a long time we are failing at this when we click we can give anyone a game when we don't we can be woeful. You get games when it doesn't happen but there are some areas where we can reduce the pressure on us.

I agree.
And for me it is in the half backs

The forwards can defend well but not when they are making way more tackles than the opposition.
Same for the backs in attack. If you are getting the ball above your head you are slower to start your run and so are tackled easily.

Brough would have solved the issue but is just broken now so we need to find another.
Hampshire isn't that guy yet. Max is closer in some skills but not in others.

The issues against Catalan were multiple but for me they were simple ones that added together.
Ball control and getting players fit would change that result completely.

Re: Time for some honesty. : Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:42 am  

financialtimes wrote:

I stopped reading all that as soon as I got to the bit about Sezer being the major difference at Hudds, as he has done sweet fanny Adams IMO, Gaskell has been the better half and they missed him more yesterday then the 20mins they were without sezer.
People need to realise that this season is a write off in all sense of the word bar 4 or 5 clubs who have a chance, the rest are all bit players. Plus with all this BLM shizzle from last week and the fact there are currently 9 SL payers testing positive for C-19 then things really need to be put in to perspective.
Just watch the season out, none of us are any worse of than we were yesterday morning, there's more important things going on in the world and on our doorstep

The major difference at Huddersfield has actually been the ability of our players in the 19-22 year age bracket to stand up when asked to play.

The Seniors, Jake Wardle, Hewitt, Sam Wood Matty English, Oliver Wilson etc and for example their ability to keep competing with a Warrington side who on paper were a better side and should have ‘stuffed us.’ especially with the injuries that we had. No ‘subs’ for the last 20 minutes.

We beat Saints away without Gaskell (injured after 4 minutes) and in four matches this season are 2/2 in games decided by two points or less.

Sezer and Gaskell are both good players but despite the publicity about Sezer we have improved more as a team in defence than just Sezer primarily due to improved ‘attitude.’ The ‘kids’ don’t know when to give up.

We benefitted from the injury crisis we had in the last two years as we were forced to blood 19/20 year olds and get some hard lessons from the better teams.

However that is now paying off with the form of the boys mentioned above ‘short term pain, long term gain’ you could do far worse if you have to do the same.

Yes you will have to watch blowouts like yesterday for example we got beat 0-44 at home by Leeds a true shocker, but the hard bit of blooding youngsters is they can’t always back up on performance week on week and us fans have to be patient during the bad games.

Re: Time for some honesty. : Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:29 am  

Obviously from a relegation point of view this.season does not matter , however what you do with it does.
Building a competitive teams not easy at the best of times but the remainder if the season needs to be used as a building program.
Give the squad members a chance and evaluate who to offer new contracts to then.
I think we have messed about with the playing quotas more than enough and would go as far to say that if CC knew his best squad some of the additions would have been unnecessary.
We should have more than enough cover from 1 to 6 before the recent signings even with a couple of injuries.
We need a scrum half desperately and our pack over run with average second rowers and loose forwards needs upgrading.
WE HAVE NO GRUNT IN THE FRONT ROW and someone who can run the shows needed.
Our more youthfull pack members need a good run out not in one week and out the next.