Re: Mail drop details : Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:40 pm  

snowie wrote:

You read into it what ever you want but i can tell you your wrong again on your assumptions, at least your savy enough to know now is not the right time to promote them but now Its been two years of the same crap results

Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.

That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.

Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).

Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

Re: Mail drop details : Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:15 pm  

vastman wrote:

Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.

That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.

Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).

Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

well hang on a minute vasty i honestly thought there was plenty of effort the other night, after pre season for Chester to come out with we are where we are and our attitude was poor was utter rubbish. We had quite a few opportunities to stack some points up but couldn’t and those lack of points put the pressure back on us. He puts them
Out there to play to his systems and he’s the boss, his systems, shape and style of play have not changed for years. We have more or less the same team and an ageing team at that so how anyone thinks we have a top quality side, described by some as our best squad in super league is beyond me. The effort was there but their quality came through we simply weren’t good enough over the full 80. Do we change things and learn by our mistakes no not at all but that is Chester’s job

Re: Mail drop details : Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:17 pm  

vastman wrote:

Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.

That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.

Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).

Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

you seem to think I've given up, far from it I thought the first half had a great deal of effort but lacked something special to break their defense, that little bit of different direction coming on angles no one did, the second half their heads went down enough said

There's a mental block that they have to overcome and I hate saying it but kear had that in abundance to encourage players to preform , that's what's needed you can make the modest of players actually look like they are worth their weight in gold

Re: Mail drop details : Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:02 pm  

vastman wrote:

Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.

That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.

Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).

Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

I'm surprised that you see it that way. Whilst acknowledging our shortcomings with the ball the intensity in defence we showed in the first 50 minutes pleasantly surprised me. The game had an NRL feel about it such was the physicality we showed (unusually). When Chester attacked their attitude as the first comments in his interview I wanted to throttle him. Yet you see it completely massively differently and I would say you are usually a pretty calm headed analyst of it all (as I would like think I am ). Who in particular do you think wasn't putting it in in the second half?

Re: Mail drop details : Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:05 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

well hang on a minute vasty i honestly thought there was plenty of effort the other night, after pre season for Chester to come out with we are where we are and our attitude was poor was utter rubbish. We had quite a few opportunities to stack some points up but couldn’t and those lack of points put the pressure back on us. He puts them
Out there to play to his systems and he’s the boss, his systems, shape and style of play have not changed for years. We have more or less the same team and an ageing team at that so how anyone thinks we have a top quality side, described by some as our best squad in super league is beyond me. The effort was there but their quality came through we simply weren’t good enough over the full 80. Do we change things and learn by our mistakes no not at all but that is Chester’s job

I think you are chopping and changing a bit there, I agree that Chester isn't getting the best out of them in some ways but if you are saying the quality isn't there what do you expect? I think there is quality in there and certainly enough to not be relegation fodder and enough to do better with. Thing is if he keeps coming out with the things he does in interviews nobody will buy into anything he wants to do

Re: Mail drop details : Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:16 am  

Schunter wrote:

I'm surprised that you see it that way. Whilst acknowledging our shortcomings with the ball the intensity in defence we showed in the first 50 minutes pleasantly surprised me. The game had an NRL feel about it such was the physicality we showed (unusually). When Chester attacked their attitude as the first comments in his interview I wanted to throttle him. Yet you see it completely massively differently and I would say you are usually a pretty calm headed analyst of it all (as I would like think I am ). Who in particular do you think wasn't putting it in in the second half?

Fair point and one of the reasons I didn’t name names, because I’m not sure tbh.

I suspect it’s a collective thing which is why it’s so sporadic.

However I do now believe that somewhere in the mix there is a deep issue.

Remember though effort is not just physical it’s mental and it the mentality that’s missing. Put simply we lack the spirit to win at all let alone scrap for two points and scrapping for two points is what’s kept us in SL.

It’s as if over the past 18 month we’ve transformed into a team that simply goes through the motions expecting it to come right and I think the cat is running out of lives with that attitude.

If we respond as we have in the past I’ll happily back down.

Finally I wasn’t even going to post on the match I only did so because despite the unnecessary criticism of the leaflet drop from snowie, let’s be honest he has a massive point. Is the Trinity of this moment worthy of being advertised as a product anyone would wish to buy?

From a purely business perspective it would be a no in anyone’s book. The product simply isn’t fit for purpose. It’s not the losing it’s the way we are losing.

Thankfully RL is not a real business and in two weeks the whole thing may be different. So on balance we take the risk and we deliver everyone of those leaflets.

Up the Trin

Re: Mail drop details : Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:30 am  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

well hang on a minute vasty i honestly thought there was plenty of effort the other night, after pre season for Chester to come out with we are where we are and our attitude was poor was utter rubbish. We had quite a few opportunities to stack some points up but couldn’t and those lack of points put the pressure back on us. He puts them
Out there to play to his systems and he’s the boss, his systems, shape and style of play have not changed for years. We have more or less the same team and an ageing team at that so how anyone thinks we have a top quality side, described by some as our best squad in super league is beyond me. The effort was there but their quality came through we simply weren’t good enough over the full 80. Do we change things and learn by our mistakes no not at all but that is Chester’s job

No it’s the players job, this isn’t Some under 11’s team, these are pro players.

I’m not a huge CC fan but blaming him is lame as it usually is with the coach.

It’s the players end of, they gave up in the last 30 and stopped doing even the basics, how the hell is that the fault of the coaching staff

This is such a British mentality and is why we never beat the Aussies. In the NRL that defeat would be put firmly at the feet of the players and they would be held accountable. In Oz players take responsibility.

This time last year Westerman allegedly told fans in a pub that most of the Trinity team were not up to it. He didn’t say the coaches he specifically said the players.
He shouldn’t have been so indiscreet but hell he wasn’t wrong was he.

At the time I thought he was wrong but now when you see him a genuinely talented player desperately trying to make things happen you realise that even in the twighlight of his career he’s in a different class. So what does that make the rest of the players in SL?

I really hope I’m wrong, few have shown more loyalty to both team and coach than me but I now fear the worst. Truth is it wasn’t random it was so predictable. Forty minutes of effort but with little guile and no reward. The opposition get a sniff and we collapse. Same script for 18 month and I don’t buy that the coach is responsible for that. I know it’s a heresy but I blame the players. totally.

Re: Mail drop details : Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:51 am  

snowie wrote:

I'll let you know into a bit of insight when the club shouted out for an engineer to help with the stadium issues I called down out of curiosity to see how serious it was, after talking to Neil who was helping with the health and safety we had a walk round and we discussed ways to get this sorted over the months, I personally spent a hell of a lot a time after doing my shifts at work prepping sometimes in the pissing rain under sheeting with the van doors open for weekend work where others joined me to get this resolved taking time off work too to oversee testing on the barriers.
I did this because I loved the club and still do but they was in a financial mess, in return me and Neil was offered a chance to set up the brewery in the corner and verbally negotiated rent which wasn't over the top but gave us the opportunity in which we was grateful for, however we had said the waste skips needed moving and it was promised but it was then left to us at cost £500 to do this as well as the cost of altering the building too suit needs.
one thing I didn't get was a decent electric rate and we recon every brew was costing us £25-£30 we did over 100 brews so work that out, this was reduced after talking to Chris explain I was struggling to continue paying such a high rate, on match days we even helped out in the bar saving on staff wages unpaid and the club took a percentage on our pints sold.
there's no bitterness in what I wrote but the club are not in the same mess as they were and it should be up to them now to promote them selves without the need of fans having doing it.
I am not patronizing anyone Poptart and if you want to contribute by all means do but I think I contributed enough in the past years or so to at least have an opinion and if you think the past performances of the last two years are going to promote new custom then so be it

you're welcome BG

I see your point and see both sides of the point.

As for unpaid volunteers, I don’t think you’re alone. When I worked there, there were a few older blokes there, who I believe did odd jobs that were unpaid, and were voluntary. They used to have a little room on the western terrace. One, as I recall, was called Al, and I think another was called Broughie, but I think there were a couple more, who’s names escape me.

Re: Mail drop details : Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 am  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

I see your point and see both sides of the point.

As for unpaid volunteers, I don’t think you’re alone. When I worked there, there were a few older blokes there, who I believe did odd jobs that were unpaid, and were voluntary. They used to have a little room on the western terrace. One, as I recall, was called Al, and I think another was called Broughie, but I think there were a couple more, who’s names escape me.

You miss the point, as snowie says he hasn’t fallen out with anyone it’s just fan fatigue.

Don’t use this to pints score, three directors and 4000 fans are not always going to see eye to eye, there will always be fall outs.

I know big al and his fallout was a shame but he’s moved on. I also imagine 6 years on MC would have handled things differently but we all learn.

The present is all that matters for now.

Re: Mail drop details : Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:08 am  

vastman wrote:

No it’s the players job, this isn’t Some under 11’s team, these are pro players.

I’m not a huge CC fan but blaming him is lame as it usually is with the coach.

It’s the players end of, they gave up in the last 30 and stopped doing even the basics, how the hell is that the fault of the coaching staff

This is such a British mentality and is why we never beat the Aussies. In the NRL that defeat would be put firmly at the feet of the players and they would be held accountable. In Oz players take responsibility.

This time last year Westerman allegedly told fans in a pub that most of the Trinity team were not up to it. He didn’t say the coaches he specifically said the players.
He shouldn’t have been so indiscreet but hell he wasn’t wrong was he.

At the time I thought he was wrong but now when you see him a genuinely talented player desperately trying to make things happen you realise that even in the twighlight of his career he’s in a different class. So what does that make the rest of the players in SL?

I really hope I’m wrong, few have shown more loyalty to both team and coach than me but I now fear the worst. Truth is it wasn’t random it was so predictable. Forty minutes of effort but with little guile and no reward. The opposition get a sniff and we collapse. Same script for 18 month and I don’t buy that the coach is responsible for that. I know it’s a heresy but I blame the players. totally.

Vasty if you want to blame the players that’s fair dos and you say the coach is not responsible but answer me a few points
Why have no players improved at our club in a few years
Why is the attack still blunt and unchanged for years
Why do we continuously make the same mistakes in defence over and over again, jamming in on the wings for a start
Why buy Danny brough call him the final piece of the jigsaw then not get him into areas or give him the personnel to use his talents
But above all why does he keep throwing his players under a bus.
He’s the coach and he puts them on the field and if he can’t do it and 8 from 42 turns into 16 from 84 then he should be replaced.
He recruited these players he resigned these players so obviously he’s got faith in these players. Give them jobs to do and organise them and if not replace them.