Re: Chester must go now : Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:37 pm  

upthecats wrote:

I find it interesting that our own fans think we’ve a chance of beating Wigan, Salford or Hull KR if they rest players...it’s giving an excuse to teams we don’t support, yet when we are missing so many of our best players we are still expected to be winning?

Go on the virtual terrace and ask any opposition fan how they perceive us...do they see us as a play off contender, a mid table side or a team who’ll be scrapping it out near the bottom. I’d be absolutely astounded if at least 75% don’t say the latter.

If we are at full strength week in week out with few injuries and disruptions we might just prove the majority wrong and flirt with the play offs like we have done recently...when we are continually missing half of our best players we are finding our natural position in the table...the place where the vast majority of fans outside of Trinity fans would see us.

Look at our squad and how many match winners we have, I mean top players who can come up with that moment of brilliance, have an individual outstanding game that can turn us from a losing team to a winning one...

Fifita and Johnstone are two definites without question...outside of those two who is there?

Tupou is a tremendous player when on form but I can’t think of many times where his individual performance has single handedly win us a game?

At a push another could be Miller when at his absolute best...

Three of those haven’t been in lately...one seems to have had a crisis in confidence, one seems to have acted a bit like a baby and the other has been desperately unlucky with injuries...

Without our potential match winners though and the constant tinkering with the spine we look a very ordinary side.

How much of that is Chesters fault? He’s proved in the past when things are going well we are capable of playing some good stuff and upsetting the odds...

We need big Dave to come back with the right attitude because he can make a huge difference...if he’s playing at his best he lifts the whole pack to another level and if we manage to get a bit of confidence back (which is huge in sport) I’m sure we’ll play much better and pick off a few wins..

Very good summary.

I'd throw Arona into the mix there, not on ability as whilst he is a good player his attitude does so much for our side. We haven't been the same since he got seriously injured at Huddersfield away.

Re: Chester must go now : Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:21 pm  

upthecats wrote:

I find it interesting that our own fans think we’ve a chance of beating Wigan, Salford or Hull KR if they rest players...it’s giving an excuse to teams we don’t support, yet when we are missing so many of our best players we are still expected to be winning?

Go on the virtual terrace and ask any opposition fan how they perceive us...do they see us as a play off contender, a mid table side or a team who’ll be scrapping it out near the bottom. I’d be absolutely astounded if at least 75% don’t say the latter.

If we are at full strength week in week out with few injuries and disruptions we might just prove the majority wrong and flirt with the play offs like we have done recently...when we are continually missing half of our best players we are finding our natural position in the table...the place where the vast majority of fans outside of Trinity fans would see us.

Look at our squad and how many match winners we have, I mean top players who can come up with that moment of brilliance, have an individual outstanding game that can turn us from a losing team to a winning one...

Fifita and Johnstone are two definites without question...outside of those two who is there?

Tupou is a tremendous player when on form but I can’t think of many times where his individual performance has single handedly win us a game?

At a push another could be Miller when at his absolute best...

Three of those haven’t been in lately...one seems to have had a crisis in confidence, one seems to have acted a bit like a baby and the other has been desperately unlucky with injuries...

Without our potential match winners though and the constant tinkering with the spine we look a very ordinary side.

How much of that is Chesters fault? He’s proved in the past when things are going well we are capable of playing some good stuff and upsetting the odds...

We need big Dave to come back with the right attitude because he can make a huge difference...if he’s playing at his best he lifts the whole pack to another level and if we manage to get a bit of confidence back (which is huge in sport) I’m sure we’ll play much better and pick off a few wins..

Other teams don't have to make excuses though do they? even through injury crises other teams manage to perform. A well coached team usually keeps the same structure no matter what team they field as the coach has them trained that way as a full squad and everyone knows exactly what is expected of them and they train for those situations where they have to be versatile.

Look at Cas last season, they spent the majority of the season with half a team out, arguably a worse injury crisis than ours yet they still managed to get 5th place, they won 4 or 5 games with a hooker and second rower playing in the halves, I saw them win a game with a second row at 6 and a prop at 7 and we were there scraping Superleague survival pleading injuries all season long.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:39 am  

Yeah Cas ended up winning 4 more games than us! A team who not that long ago finished top by 10 points! Then when injuries hit they win 4 more than us in what many fans on here see as our worst season in the club’s history...

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:29 am  

For me it’s not about bodies back ,who’s playing where ,how much a player costs all equating to how we perform As a team ,its attitude ,and I’m afraid at times we’ve been woefully lacking in that department.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:54 am  

Comparing the squad of 2017 and 2018, which were the best seasons under Chessie, against the squads of 2019 and 20, the squads are very different now, and most of these in the squad nowadays, are players that he has brought in. To me, that would indicate that overall recruitment over the past couple of years has been poor

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:03 am  

Kettykat wrote:

For me it’s not about bodies back ,who’s playing where ,how much a player costs all equating to how we perform As a team ,its attitude ,and I’m afraid at times we’ve been woefully lacking in that department.

Absolutely right IMO.
I coach a junior football team and I know my players are more than capable of winning against most opposition, but occasionally they show up with the wrong attitude and don't work hard for each other and suddenly we get a drubbing.
The following week the only instruction I will give them is to go out and give it 100% and more often than not, they're back on it and competitive.

I'm not saying that Chester should do the same, I understand there are other factors at play with a group of adults, just making the point about what a difference that attitude from the players makes.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:08 am  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

Comparing the squad of 2017 and 2018, which were the best seasons under Chessie, against the squads of 2019 and 20, the squads are very different now, and most of these in the squad nowadays, are players that he has brought in. To me, that would indicate that overall recruitment over the past couple of years has been poor

In which case you can’t really accuse our chairman of lacking balls when he’s backed Chester.

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:52 am  

Finny retired 3 years ago so we signed dB and we haven’t filled that gap that halfback position should have been filled years ago crap planning

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:11 am  

Willzay wrote:

In which case you can’t really accuse our chairman of lacking balls when he’s backed Chester.

Or maybe the fact is they're best of buddies.

We maybe safe this year from the drop, but it will be by pure default.

If something doesn't give, I'm afraid we will be playing championship rugby and budgets will be even less

Re: Chester must go now : Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:42 am  

M C and CC have a marriage made in heaven
Mc says no money available and we are going back to the budget of 3 years ago
and CC sucks it up and spends whats available on positions not require.
While ever this situation continues things will remain the same. even Trinity fans have become prise conditioned.
Lets imagine that M C gave CC more money for better quality players and the results remained the same ,how long would CC last. You could argue that while ever the present situation continues the coaching ability of CC takes a back seat.,