Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:23 pm  

Miro wrote: Your quote: I guess it depends on where you trust for you information really While not wishing to come between you and MatthewTrin, statistics not my strong point. I'm surprised you rely so much on the Bill Gates funded John Hopkins University and BBC. Yes I trust you have full confidence in the guy but come on, he has such a vested interest in all of this I just would have thought you would stay clear for this argument bearing in mind your statement above. As for Wikipedia? Well, I'll leave it there. Here's another interesting campaign involving Bill Gates, his overreach is everywhere https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

Miro wrote: Your quote: I guess it depends on where you trust for you information really While not wishing to come between you and MatthewTrin, statistics not my strong point. I'm surprised you rely so much on the Bill Gates funded John Hopkins University and BBC. Yes I trust you have full confidence in the guy but come on, he has such a vested interest in all of this I just would have thought you would stay clear for this argument bearing in mind your statement above. As for Wikipedia? Well, I'll leave it there. Here's another interesting campaign involving Bill Gates, his overreach is everywhere https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:38 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote: Protect the vulnerable and those most at risk. https://gbdeclaration.org/ So, that is your own position on the pandemic. What happened to the Global Rest, I cant see it mentioned on there. Also and perhaps most importantly, there is nothing mentioned there on what action should be taken as cases rise and hospital demand increases to the point where there is no more hospital capacity which has been the focus of most of the European nations - to be in a position where hospital demand does not exceed capacity Any ideas ? Also, some very well qualified signatories on the declaration but, do we take their opinion over the equally / better qualified medics that are currently influencing the direction of travel in each country that is currently not signed up. Ultimately, there is no absolute "right way" of dealing with this, that much seems pretty clear and why should we trust "your" experts over those currently "in charge" and there will of course be a political influence added to whichever path is chosen. Your earlier posts regarding "re set" etc no longer seem to be in play or, did I miss something ?

MatthewTrin wrote: Protect the vulnerable and those most at risk. https://gbdeclaration.org/ So, that is your own position on the pandemic. What happened to the Global Rest, I cant see it mentioned on there. Also and perhaps most importantly, there is nothing mentioned there on what action should be taken as cases rise and hospital demand increases to the point where there is no more hospital capacity which has been the focus of most of the European nations - to be in a position where hospital demand does not exceed capacity Any ideas ? Also, some very well qualified signatories on the declaration but, do we take their opinion over the equally / better qualified medics that are currently influencing the direction of travel in each country that is currently not signed up. Ultimately, there is no absolute "right way" of dealing with this, that much seems pretty clear and why should we trust "your" experts over those currently "in charge" and there will of course be a political influence added to whichever path is chosen. Your earlier posts regarding "re set" etc no longer seem to be in play or, did I miss something ?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:30 pm  

Billy Butcher wrote:

Good quality weed and YouTube.

The conspiracy route is also a manifestation of some people’s fear.

Go on Billy boy, here is some ammo.....................fill yer boots. Or I'll nick em.

Conspiracy Theory Study Shows a Troubling Link Between Belief and Crime.......Or.......What a load of phsycobabble.

OR...A lesson in how to construct a hatchet job on those who get too near the truth..

Peter Hess (no relation to Rudolph I hope)
2.26.2019 6:54 PM
The world is already a wild place without conspiracy theories in the mix. With them, it’s straight-up chaos. Social psychologists from the UK show in a new study that people who believe in conspiracy theories have troubling attitudes about criminal behavior that could actually lead to more crime.
As belief in conspiracy theories becomes uncomfortably mainstream, its effects are becoming clearer to scientists. It erodes a person’s sense of reality and makes them suspicious of anyone different from them. It can also cause a sense of powerlessness, which in turn causes some people to disengage from the world, feeling like they have no power or agency. But the societal effects of conspiracy theories could be even more corrosive than previously suspected, as the new paper, published Tuesday in the British Journal of Social Psychology, suggests.


In the paper, the researchers details two studies illustrating the link between a belief in conspiracy theories and criminal behavior.
“Together, these findings extend existing research that has examined the consequences of conspiracy theories,” write the authors, led by Daniel Jolley, Ph.D., a psychology lecturer at Staffordshire University. “It demonstrates that conspiracy theories do not always lead to apathy and inaction. Instead, conspiracy theories might lead people to actively engage in anti-social behaviour.”
The first survey, a cross-sectional study of 253 people in the UK, showed that people who believe in conspiracy also reported higher levels of real-world criminal behavior
. These so-called “everyday” crimes include “running red lights, paying cash for items to avoid paying taxes, or failing to disclose faults in second-hand items for sale.”

Yup, that's me to a T.
No sorry, Shouldn't laugh, I'll shut up now. let Mr Hess continue.


In particular, the survey asked participants about their belief in general conspiracies (for example, “governments hide information from the public”) and specific ones (like “Princess Diana was murdered by elements within the British establishment”). It also measured personality traits known to predict criminal behavior, including humility, honesty, and moral identity. Finally, it asked about how much crime participants actually committed.
Both measures of belief in conspiracy theories were positively associated with everyday crime behaviors. In other words, people who reported that they believed in conspiracy theories were significantly more likely to have actual criminal histories. Additionally, positive personality traits like honesty and humility were negatively correlated with everyday criminal behaviors — perhaps offering a partial explanation for the relationship between conspiracy belief and crime.
“It is possible, therefore, that individuals who are pre-disposed to immoral behaviour find conspiracy theories more appealing,” the team writes. “On the other hand, conspiracy theories may inspire people to commit unethical acts as a route to cope with a world where conspiracies happen.”

The second study took a more active experimental approach to examine the link between a belief in conspiracies and a tendency toward criminal behavior. Rather than asking people to report their criminal histories, the researchers asked some of their 120 participants to read an article about conspiracy theories. The control group, in contrast, didn’t read anything. Here’s an excerpt from the one of the articles:

…To take the example of Princess Diana’s death, it is no secret that the British government were discontented with Princess Diana’s involvement with Dodi Fayed and also with her increasing involvement in politics…. One must, therefore, question the claim that her death was simply a tragic accident…

Crucially, the excerpt did not include the term “conspiracy theory.”
Afterward, participants reported on their own levels of anomie — social instability resulting from a breakdown of standards and values — and disillusionment, as well as their willingness to engage in everyday crimes. The people who read the conspiracy article were significantly more likely to report that they were interested in doing crimes, suggesting that the effect measured in Study 1 wasn’t a coincidence. Perhaps, they propose, there is a causal link: Conspiracy theories make people feel more anomie and generally less bound by positive social traits, translating to a higher willingness to engage in everyday crimes.
The data from these two studies, the team argues, provides crucial insight into the psychological relationship between conspiracy theories and crime. The same factors that might lead someone to believe in conspiracy theories, they say, could also become more severe as a result of that belief.
“Specifically, exposure to conspiracy theories was associated with increased feelings of anomie, which in turn were associated with stronger intentions to engage in everyday crime,” they write. “This is consistent with recent theorizing suggesting that social factors, such as alienation and anomie, may not only be psychological antecedents of belief in conspiracy theories, but they might also be exacerbated by exposure to conspiracy theories.”
Abstract: Belief in conspiracy theories is associated with negative outcomes such as political disengagement, prejudice, and environmental inaction. The current studies — one cross-sectional (N = 253) and one experimental (N = 120) — tested the hypothesis that belief in conspiracy theories would increase intentions to engage in everyday crime. Study 1 demonstrated that belief in conspiracy theories predicted everyday crime behaviours when controlling for other known predictors of everyday crime (e.g., Honesty–Humility). Study 2 demonstrated that exposure to conspiracy theories (vs. control) increased intentions to engage in everyday crime in the future, through an increased feeling of anomie. The perception that others have conspired may therefore in some contexts lead to negative action rather than inaction.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:42 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, that is your own position on the pandemic.
What happened to the Global Rest, I cant see it mentioned on there.

Also and perhaps most importantly, there is nothing mentioned there on what action should be taken as cases rise and hospital demand increases to the point where there is no more hospital capacity which has been the focus of most of the European nations - to be in a position where hospital demand does not exceed capacity

Any ideas ?

Also, some very well qualified signatories on the declaration but, do we take their opinion over the equally / better qualified medics that are currently influencing the direction of travel in each country that is currently not signed up.

Ultimately, there is no absolute "right way" of dealing with this, that much seems pretty clear and why should we trust "your" experts over those currently "in charge" and there will of course be a political influence added to whichever path is chosen.

Your earlier posts regarding "re set" etc no longer seem to be in play or, did I miss something ?

One criteria you could use should you wish to take sides , is the old adage, "follow the money." My guess is those experts quoted in the link are not funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Something that can't be said of the official "experts.

Well you certainly missed answering the questions I set you AGAIN. I genuinly though you would be up for it, Maybe the truth is too much to bear. bare ? I dunno, you choose.

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:02 pm  

Blimey...I mean BLIMEY . Is the MSN doing an about turn??? OR I finally go mainstream ???? "I'm almost starting to think this whole pandemic really is a conspiracy." By Annabel Fenwick Elliott Senior Features Editor....The Telegraph. As seen in: The Telegraph, MSN, MSN UK, MSN South Africa, Daily Mail, Stuff.co.nz, Irish Independent, South China Morning Post, Yahoo, Yahoo India Style, Australian Financial Review and more telegraph.co.uk — " I’ve been suspicious from the start. Back in March, when this novel virus first swept in from the East and countries across Europe started bolting their doors even before cases mounted, I remember saying to people, ‘Blimey, what aren’t they telling us yet?’It was clearly killing people, but not in numbers that warranted the complete shutdown of society, I mused, as I cleared my desk and left the office for what would be – little did I know it then – seven months and counting. ! See full length article in the Telegraph. And in the Telegraph comments page. Lena Guinea 24 Oct 2020 7:51PM Please understand that in a GP practice where my sister works out of 16000 patients during lockdown none has died from Covid but 12 people committed suicides.Are you aware what is really going on with mental health patients these days?Many much younger then 81? (average age of fatality of the 0.1%) I mean BLIMEY !!!! Full article in the Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comm ... onspiracy/

Blimey...I mean BLIMEY . Is the MSN doing an about turn??? OR I finally go mainstream ???? "I'm almost starting to think this whole pandemic really is a conspiracy." By Annabel Fenwick Elliott Senior Features Editor....The Telegraph. As seen in: The Telegraph, MSN, MSN UK, MSN South Africa, Daily Mail, Stuff.co.nz, Irish Independent, South China Morning Post, Yahoo, Yahoo India Style, Australian Financial Review and more telegraph.co.uk — " I’ve been suspicious from the start. Back in March, when this novel virus first swept in from the East and countries across Europe started bolting their doors even before cases mounted, I remember saying to people, ‘Blimey, what aren’t they telling us yet?’It was clearly killing people, but not in numbers that warranted the complete shutdown of society, I mused, as I cleared my desk and left the office for what would be – little did I know it then – seven months and counting. ! See full length article in the Telegraph. And in the Telegraph comments page. Lena Guinea 24 Oct 2020 7:51PM Please understand that in a GP practice where my sister works out of 16000 patients during lockdown none has died from Covid but 12 people committed suicides.Are you aware what is really going on with mental health patients these days?Many much younger then 81? (average age of fatality of the 0.1%) I mean BLIMEY !!!! Full article in the Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comm ... onspiracy/

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:11 am  

Miro wrote:

One criteria you could use should you wish to take sides , is the old adage, "follow the money." My guess is those experts quoted in the link are not funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Something that can't be said of the official "experts.

Well you certainly missed answering the questions I set you AGAIN. I genuinly though you would be up for it, Maybe the truth is too much to bear. bare ? I dunno, you choose.

I've seen and read your posts on the subject of covid and the various issues around corrupt governments with hidden agenda, world reset, not restricting movement etc, etc and you've gone into huge detail on some aspects of these issues.
What you haven't done is suggest a different route.
Therefore, with your "superior" in depth knowledge, what would your response be to covid at this point.

Free movement for all ?
Replace the government ? if so who do you want in charge of the UK ?
Carry on as we are, with seemingly perpetual "lock downs"
Wearing face coverings
Social distancing

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:10 pm  

This is boring!

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:00 pm  

60sCat wrote:

This is boring!

We've had a great few days on the field gives us something to shout about!
Yet we still have a couple of cranks preaching about covid STOP FEEDING THEM.

[PopTart]

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:15 pm  

Miro wrote:

One criteria you could use should you wish to take sides , is the old adage, "follow the money." My guess is those experts quoted in the link are not funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Something that can't be said of the official "experts.

Well you certainly missed answering the questions I set you AGAIN. I genuinly though you would be up for it, Maybe the truth is too much to bear. bare ? I dunno, you choose.

You always fall back to questioning people and expecting them to answer your questions without stating your actual point.
You are the one challenging the gereal opinion not the other way around.
I think it's time you were clear.
With quoting other people, what do you believe is going on?

Is covid real or not?
Is a world organisation trying to change our way of life?
Are all the governments of the world agreeing to the big con?
Is Bill Gates doing something illegal or immoral?

I'd like to see what your view is for once. What's going on here?

Re: What now for fans watching ? - Covid chat : Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:49 pm  

60sCat wrote:

This is boring!

18,073 views suggest otherwise.