Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:20 am  

bren2k wrote:

I don't agree with the acceptance of mediocrity that Agar's appointment would represent - he's done nothing of note at Hull, with a massive playing budget, 18 billion loyal supporters and a wealthy, influential BoD behind him; what the hell do people think he would achieve here?

If, after coming back from the brink of extinction and conjuring up a SL future out of thin air, the best appointment we can make to lead the club forward in a new state of the art stadium is Richard bloody Agar, then we may as well chuck it all in now.

That IMO has always been Hulls problem - to many Directors who fancy themselves as Rugby men. Not trying to sell Agar to you, he's certainly done nothing great. That said he is probably better than he was allowed to be with old stone face at the club. He also lacks an Aussie accent which in the eyes of some directors immediately means you are entitle to push him around in a way they wouldn't dare to with an Aussie.

You could argue that Agar must be stronger than that and fight his corner and he should but it's very difficult.

I have experienced at first hand the different attitude most clubs show to Aussies as compared to British players and Coaches and it's pathetic and it stinks. Aussie are lorded to high heavens and rarely argued with, they are treated as equals by the BOD. Their British counterparts are with a few exceptions treated with utter contempt - Ive seen it at first hand. Not so much at Wakey but I saw it big time at Fev and Sheffield in the Hetherington days.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:22 am  

chissitt wrote:

Who told you the club plumber and when you see him again tell him the water pressure in the gents is too high

They wouldn't announce the head coach on a Saturday night or a Sunday would they? Let's see if the plumber is right? I hope not on this occasion. I reckon they will announce it early this week, they need to too as I am sure many fans are waiting for this before getting a season ticket.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:29 am  

Tricky2309 wrote:

If its true about Agar, seems Elston is running the new corner shop business.

Are Hull just going to release him - cos it would be even worse if we had to pay them compensation.

The last week or two with no positive news have hindered the sale of season tickets and this will just wreck any chance of getting 2,500 to buy before end of the month. We are going to lose a number of those who have already "pledged" as they wont want to pay the extra 75 quid.

I have always thought that if we appoint a coach that fires the publics imagination. Sign three or four really top class players with some other decent quality SL standard players, the season tickets will sell themselves without the need to discount.

Quite frankly with the squad we have assembled so far and the way we are dithering appointing a coach its a wonder anyone is bothering to buy them. OK we have made a couple of half decent signings but what we have signed to date is no better than the squad that started the season. So who in their right mind would want a season ticket to witness a repeat of the dross we have been dished up this year

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:30 am  

vastman wrote:

I have experienced at first hand the different attitude most clubs show to Aussies as compared to British players and Coaches and it's pathetic and it stinks. Aussie are lorded to high heavens and rarely argued with, they are treated as equals by the BOD. Their British counterparts are with a few exceptions treated with utter contempt - Ive seen it at first hand. Not so much at Wakey but I saw it big time at Fev and Sheffield in the Hetherington days.

Are you describing a RL problem or a Hetherington problem?

A close friend of mine played at Sheffield under the regime you're talking about and some of the stories he tells of Hetherington behaviour are absolutely astounding.

Either way, I don't see that cosying up with his buddy Mr Elston at WTW will be a catalyst for Agar to perform any differently; if anything, he could lose whatever edge he does have in what could be perceived as a safe, matey environment.

We're on a knife-edge here - his appointment would, in my eyes, be a disaster on several fronts.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:39 am  

bren2k wrote:

Are you describing a RL problem or a Hetherington problem?

A close friend of mine played at Sheffield under the regime you're talking about and some of the stories he tells of Hetherington behaviour are absolutely astounding.

Either way, I don't see that cosying up with his buddy Mr Elston at WTW will be a catalyst for Agar to perform any differently; if anything, he could lose whatever edge he does have in what could be perceived as a safe, matey environment.

We're on a knife-edge here - his appointment would, in my eyes, be a disaster on several fronts.

I'm fine with what you say apart from that bit - that is not a statement of fact that is an assumption based on the pap posted on here and thus isn't relevant IMHO. As far as I'm told Elston and Agar know each other reasonably well, Elston knows loads of RL people reasonably well. However they are not life long chums, they are not family. I think it's part of the nonsense peddled on here by the malicious to make it appear far more than it is.

People can't have it both ways. If JE is suitable as our CEO as most suggest then on the other hand he can't then be accused of giving jobs to his mate - there is a huge contradiction there.

If JE is the man then he will or will not advise AG to employ Agar for all the right reasons.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:46 am  

BigDog wrote:

They wouldn't announce the head coach on a Saturday night or a Sunday would they? Let's see if the plumber is right? I hope not on this occasion. I reckon they will announce it early this week, they need to too as I am sure many fans are waiting for this before getting a season ticket.

I hope that Andrew and James are well aware of this. Our season ends on Friday and then all goes a bit quieter generally. That will make it harder then to keep any momentum going as far as selling Season Tickets goes.

I would hope that it will be announced today or tomorrow to give the club the best chance to push and sell more Season Tickets in the run up to Friday.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:54 am  

Fordy wrote:

I hope that Andrew and James are well aware of this. Our season ends on Friday and then all goes a bit quieter generally. That will make it harder then to keep any momentum going as far as selling Season Tickets goes.

I would hope that it will be announced today or tomorrow to give the club the best chance to push and sell more Season Tickets in the run up to Friday.

If they set on the wrong man it won't make a blind bit of difference.

The club really is at the crossroads. It has a chance to grab the imagination of the public and move forward to a brighter future . Or we can be seen to be appointing a coach who is someones mate and that the fans don't want, thus meaning season ticket sales stagnate, interest dies and we end up in the same position we've bben in for years. If AG is the shrewd businessman we believe then he'll know that he has to listen to his customers and will act accordingly.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:13 am  

Theboyem wrote:

if AG is the shrewd businessman we believe then he'll know that he has to listen to his customers and will act accordingly.

If that is the case he must know that sooner or later he his going to have to make a massive investment if he wants to move this club forward. We have a loyal bunch who will buy season tickets and join the lottery no matter what. However Trinity is now owned by him, its his business and his company. He can't keep expecting loyalty and blind faith. He has to spend money and provide a product that the greater public want to buyin to, I can't see it working any other way.

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:24 am  

Am i right in thinking JE and Richard Agar had quite a few years playing together at Dewsbury?? Is that where the connection is??

As has been stated, we have the chance to make a coaching appointment that would get people interested. Agar has had 3 years, spending upto the full cap and has pretty much failed. No way should they be only just making the play offs. What has he done that could convince us he is the right man???????????

Hope this is wrong. Would not be happy at all!!

Re: New Coach : Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:53 am  

Ray Price Is God wrote:

Am i right in thinking JE and Richard Agar had quite a few years playing together at Dewsbury?? Is that where the connection is??

As has been stated, we have the chance to make a coaching appointment that would get people interested. Agar has had 3 years, spending upto the full cap and has pretty much failed. No way should they be only just making the play offs. What has he done that could convince us he is the right man???????????

Hope this is wrong. Would not be happy at all!!

Probably and that appears to be enough though Agar has never been at Dewbury in any capacity according to Wiki anyway - may have been York.