Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:15 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

In principle is different from approving isn’t it. The problem with your argument is that what he is saying yes it sounds a good idea but let’s see how it can be done. It was this part that was initially passed by the coalition later upheld by the Conservatives.
All you can accuse Labour of is setting up the initial process the rest is down entirely to the coalition and the Conservative government’s who agreed the direction, costs and administration of completing the task. If this appears to now be shambolic and expensive the fault lies with the coalition and conservatives.
I believe once the plan was presented by the coalition Darling and many others thought it was too expensive and badly constructed.

Yet in the 2019 Labour Manifesto, they were committed to completing the full HS2 route to Scotland.

So Labour had an idea,did like it,so got a report done,after the report they still liked it,so Darling approves in principle moving forward,then Labour lose power and fast forward to 2013 and Darling doesn't like it (its a complete waste of money),fast forward again to 2019 and Labour like it again that much,they commit to completing it,if they get into power...............
We will never know if Labour would have passed it in 2012,because they had already lost control,but one things for sure they still seemed to like their idea in December 2019,but they may well have changed their mind again now as they didn't get into power.

Wait,let me guess,its the Tories fault Labour can't make there mind up ?

Its obvious that to some on here Labour can do no wrong and have never made mistakes or told lies,to some on here every Tory voter "has blood on their hands" or is a racist,or both!!
The country will get the chance to hold the Tories to account at the next GE.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:05 am  

How did the report and suggestion for hs2 in 2009 compares to what is being proposed now.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:22 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

How did the report and suggestion for hs2 in 2009 compares to what is being proposed now.

Clearly compared well enough in 2017 and again in December 2019,when Labour promised to support HS2 in their manifestos.
But be my guest if you wish to list all the differences.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:32 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

The country will get the chance to hold the Tories to account at the next GE.

yeah, mebbe the lib dems can supply a viable alternative...


or mebbe not..

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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:58 pm  

I miss Miro and MT. Its getting boring now.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:35 pm  

Wait till the season starts back, and listen to scarlet pimpernel and wilzay doing some proper whinging about the club.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:46 pm  

little wayne69 wrote:

Wait till the season starts back, and listen to scarlet pimpernel and wilzay doing some proper whinging about the club.

We currently have no guarantee of a season if we and several other clubs cannot agree with our players. I am under no illusion what is coming down the track for the club, you heard the chief executive.
With regards the Johnson government I am also under no illusion about them the problem is that their shortcomings have resulted in far too many deaths, like Trump not willing to take any responsibility and of course the world beating track and trace system (how is that going). I could go on but their failures are well documented even if they don’t want to admit it or have a report produced and I suppose whilst there are people like you it is working.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:29 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

We currently have no guarantee of a season if we and several other clubs cannot agree with our players. I am under no illusion what is coming down the track for the club, you heard the chief executive.
With regards the Johnson government I am also under no illusion about them the problem is that their shortcomings have resulted in far too many deaths, like Trump not willing to take any responsibility and of course the world beating track and trace system (how is that going). I could go on but their failures are well documented even if they don’t want to admit it or have a report produced and I suppose whilst there are people like you it is working.

My previous post was a reference to yours and wilzays previous negativity in past seasons, can if I may put you straight on one thing, fortunately we only have one thing in common other than watching Wakey, that is like yourself I despise the Conservatives but unlike you I also despise the labour party as well as all the other crank parties, neither have I any time for the scummy reporters that are that desperate they hang about the front door and knocking on widows hounding people trying to do a job and making things up when it suits, as do the TV media what show you what it wants to, where it seems your perfectly happy to endorse it on here as it suits your political leanings, unless you are that gullible.

Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday : Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:52 am  

Willzay wrote:

Nothing to do with the Government setting a pI$$ poor example of adhering to the lockdown rules then?

I’m sure if Cummings can get away with “going for a drive to test his eyesight”, then I’m sure people are now allowed to protest against systematic racism?

Your inability to accept the individual citizens need to show some degree of responsibility tells me all I need to know about you. You are part of that self entitled generation that blames everyone except themselves whilst demanding everything be solved instantly and usually by shaking a none existent money tree.

You seem to have no idea about logistics, public health or the fact that there will always be an element of jeopardy on life. It’s called living in the real world, give it a try matey, you won’t like it because it’s not a Disney production but hey it will catch up with you in the end.

Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday : Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:39 am  

vastman wrote:

Your inability to accept the individual citizens need to show some degree of responsibility tells me all I need to know about you. You are part of that self entitled generation that blames everyone except themselves whilst demanding everything be solved instantly and usually by shaking a none existent money tree.

You seem to have no idea about logistics, public health or the fact that there will always be an element of jeopardy on life. It’s called living in the real world, give it a try matey, you won’t like it because it’s not a Disney production but hey it will catch up with you in the end.

So, there is no correlation between the perceived behavior of those "in charge" and the change in behavior of the masses.
It was all just one huge coincidence ?

As for people taking personal responsibility, of course they should. However, it would appear that huge numbers just aren't capable of doing so.