Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:51 pm  

newcat wrote:

Whilst not greeing with all SP posts, I do think that there is an element of truth caused by MC's lack of engagement with the fans.

Like it or not, the fans are customers of the club & without them we would not survive. There as to be some better way to engage & bring fans back. To be honest for the last couple of years I do not feel like it is our club. Say what you like about Ted & Mr Glover, at least I felt at the time that it was our club & I was part of it. This may only be a perception, but a perception can be as bad as reality.

It's okay Snowie et al having a go at SP, but that is how he feels & he is entitled to that view. I bet he is not the only WTW fan who feels that way.

MC did try to engage with fans on here and twitter . he also tried to engage with some on sunday, unfortunately they were ignorant half wits who just wanted to shout abuse and not listen to what he had to say. I have always found the guy quite approachable and a really nice guy to chat to. he is always round the club and I am sure if SP wanted all his questions answering he would be more than happy to do that but I have a feeling that he won't even try, he has his own agenda?

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:19 pm  

frogcat wrote:

MC did try to engage with fans on here and twitter . he also tried to engage with some on sunday, unfortunately they were ignorant half wits who just wanted to shout abuse and not listen to what he had to say. I have always found the guy quite approachable and a really nice guy to chat to. he is always round the club and I am sure if SP wanted all his questions answering he would be more than happy to do that but I have a feeling that he won't even try, he has his own agenda?

It's funny that because I found him completely ignorant and unapproachable. But that was when I wanted to discuss an issues that he didn't like. From my point of view the man is the complete opposite of your description.
He seems to only engage with people when they are blowing smoke up his rear end. But that is my point of view. I don't think the guy is purposely running the club into the extinction. I think he's too stubborn to admit he isn't always right and to ask (spend money) for help and the overall good of Wakefield Trinity.

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:07 am  

RealSteel89 wrote:

It's funny that because I found him completely ignorant and unapproachable. But that was when I wanted to discuss an issues that he didn't like. From my point of view the man is the complete opposite of your description.
He seems to only engage with people when they are blowing smoke up his rear end. But that is my point of view. I don't think the guy is purposely running the club into the extinction. I think he's too stubborn to admit he isn't always right and to ask (spend money) for help and the overall good of Wakefield Trinity.

you see this is your opinion,
maybe you don't like his stance against yours as he wasn't willing to move which is understandable if he wants it to run a certain way, you find most business men unapproachable if your telling them they should change the business plan,

going away from MC what do we all want from the club, financially we have been inept for yrs, we finally get someone who wants to get this right and then their pulled to bits while he's still doing it, if this was your club and your money would you continue to plough money in while we continue to get a negative attitude from the stay away fans, its bad enough from the ones in the stand

I wouldn't mind the players on the pitch has caused most of the arguments on here

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:36 am  

snowie wrote:

you see this is your opinion,
maybe you don't like his stance against yours as he wasn't willing to move which is understandable if he wants it to run a certain way, you find most business men unapproachable if your telling them they should change the business plan,

going away from MC what do we all want from the club, financially we have been inept for yrs, we finally get someone who wants to get this right and then their pulled to bits while he's still doing it, if this was your club and your money would you continue to plough money in while we continue to get a negative attitude from the stay away fans, its bad enough from the ones in the stand

I wouldn't mind the players on the pitch has caused most of the arguments on here

Who are the stay away fans with the negative attitude?

The point of my post is we all have opinions on what we do and don't like. Yet on this forum you are instantly shot down for asking questions of the club by people who will follow blindly. SP asks some very good questions and its nice to have a balance of opinions.
Do Wakefield fans not learn, we have been so badly run all this time and just because someone comes in and says the right things at the time we all believe their every word. Well most of you that disagree with SP were all Glovers best mate when he was at the club, even when certain posters were telling you its all gone belly up people argued with them, look where that got us!

I aren't suggesting in anyway Glover and Carter are the same before someone gets the wrong end of the stick.

Hounding people off the forum will only make this a duller place than it already is!

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:51 am  

said it for ages the club needs a front man. Someone who can issue press releases , engage with the press , media and fans. provide a link with business, offer informed advice, take control of sponsorship and public relations.
Sometimes its not what you do that causes problems its the way you do them.

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Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:21 am  

Ironically Elston was exactly that and I thought quite good at it.
It went wrong when they gave him financial power too.

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:27 am  

RealSteel89 wrote:

Who are the stay away fans with the negative attitude?

The point of my post is we all have opinions on what we do and don't like. Yet on this forum you are instantly shot down for asking questions of the club by people who will follow blindly. SP asks some very good questions and its nice to have a balance of opinions.
Do Wakefield fans not learn, we have been so badly run all this time and just because someone comes in and says the right things at the time we all believe their every word. Well most of you that disagree with SP were all Glovers best mate when he was at the club, even when certain posters were telling you its all gone belly up people argued with them, look where that got us!

I aren't suggesting in anyway Glover and Carter are the same before someone gets the wrong end of the stick.

Hounding people off the forum will only make this a duller place than it already is!

I work with one every day, sick of hearing his opinions while he continues to rip the club to bits and not even contribute anything to the club, but he is quite willing to go to the pub and watch the game from there, how the hell do you expect club to get any revenue in while you get support like that,

SP has had a few good questions but is hell bent on harping on about MC taking the club away from BV, funny how we are in a better position now the threat had been made, if we had continued to just ignore the problem it in its self would of fetch the club to its knees, as for player selection its done within a budget so as he has said the club gets what it can afford, then what we get two of the best players going off the rails you just can't make this up

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:37 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Your loyalty is admirable if a little misplaced but all clubs needs supporters like you. I expect you will go whatever division we are in sadly you are a minority and human nature demands success hence our sharp drop in attendances.
I note that he does suggest that if the club are relegated then it depends how many season tickets we sell which will decide if we drop to part time. He is once again passing the blame onto the supporters because how can you buy a season ticket if you don't know which players you will be supporting. It's a classic catch 22 situation.
I hope your faith is justified and he took the action he did for the right reasons and not just to save money. I suppose tomorrow will tell and yes it is sensible to have a plan B but not to make it public but I think that's more an ego trait.

yes I would support my club at what ever division it is in but it doesn't make me any less determined to see success there, so if everybody took the stance of only supporting a successful club yr in yr out then it would get pretty boring, today I'm going to feeling that nervous tension that should get you back next season either way.
as for season tickets for next yr how can you predict what happens until you know what league we will be playing

Re: What Do You Think Mr Carter? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:24 am  

snowie wrote:

I work with one every day, sick of hearing his opinions while he continues to rip the club to bits and not even contribute anything to the club, but he is quite willing to go to the pub and watch the game from there, how the hell do you expect club to get any revenue in while you get support like that,

SP has had a few good questions but is hell bent on harping on about MC taking the club away from BV, funny how we are in a better position now the threat had been made, if we had continued to just ignore the problem it in its self would of fetch the club to its knees, as for player selection its done within a budget so as he has said the club gets what it can afford, then what we get two of the best players going off the rails you just can't make this up

Lets reverse the question you asked. How the hell are we going to make any revenue when the club do nothing to retain the fans? You seem to have come to the conclusion MC has. Essentially your blaming your work colleague and the 2000 others who have had enough of watching dross @ £22 a time for the state of the club! How many times this year has there been any attempt to engage with lost supporters? How many times has it been acknowledged the performance on the pitch is not acceptable but the fans who turn up have had no apologies and no response a week later from the players?

I competley admire your devotion to the club. But you can't expect everyone to feel the same as you! It's not the fans fault and it never has been!