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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:34 am  
There is no credible opposition to the Tories at the moment, Labour are infinitely worse.
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:50 am  
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We have a Government who censors any media criticism of them, bringing laws to criminalise peaceful protests and strip people of their citizenships without warning. I wonder what will come next.


They are a bit rubbish at this censoring malarkey then because the office party and criticism of it has been all over the place. It must have been something akin to roman times if that was censored.
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:54 am  
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There is no credible opposition to the Tories at the moment, Labour are infinitely worse.

Agreed, its backbench Tories who are against further restrictions
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:58 am  
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There is no credible opposition to the Tories at the moment, Labour are infinitely worse.


The problem with the labour party is that they are still mixed bag of left and right. Keir Starmer (who in my opinion isn't a strong enough leader) is pretty much to the right of the party but his deputy is as far left as Corbyn was.
The people of modern UK don't want far left politics, something which Blair realised, and for that reason they are still not seen by many as a credible opposition party. Tony Blair was in power for years, but after they were defeated enter Milliband (the wrong Milliband came to lead!) and Corbyn.
IMO if they moved more to the middle they would walk into power, because I think people are sick of the likes of BJ and his obnoxious allies of Reece-Mogg et al and the huge riches being made by the relative few once again.
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:46 am  
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I'm assuming you are referring to this when you say I'm in denial.

Just so you know, my family has a history in the mining industry in this area and about 6 generations ago as tin miners in Cornwall. I went to school in Featherstone when the miners strike was on so I am very aware of what happened.


You're very wrong in your assumption, PT.

I refer to your "denial" in the context that by not mentioning H****r an N***s doesn't mean that they didn't exist.
I too have a very long history of mining in the family of which I'm very proud as I'm sure you are. I think as adults on this forum it is rather demeaning to be told that you can't mention deceased people of history by name whether they were evil or not.[
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:49 am  
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The problem with the labour party is that they are still mixed bag of left and right. Keir Starmer (who in my opinion isn't a strong enough leader) is pretty much to the right of the party but his deputy is as far left as Corbyn was.
The people of modern UK don't want far left politics, something which Blair realised, and for that reason they are still not seen by many as a credible opposition party. Tony Blair was in power for years, but after they were defeated enter Milliband (the wrong Milliband came to lead!) and Corbyn.
IMO if they moved more to the middle they would walk into power, because I think people are sick of the likes of BJ and his obnoxious allies of Reece-Mogg et al and the huge riches being made by the relative few once again.


Good, well structured post 1315! :CLAP:
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:59 am  
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Good, well structured post 1315! :CLAP:


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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:24 am  
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You're very wrong in your assumption, PT.

I refer to your "denial" in the context that by not mentioning H****r an N***s doesn't mean that they didn't exist.
I too have a very long history of mining in the family of which I'm very proud as I'm sure you are. I think as adults on this forum it is rather demeaning to be told that you can't mention deceased people of history by name whether they were evil or not.[


I'm not saying you can't name them. I think I clearly stated you could, and I'd be happy to discuss Hitler in the context of WW2 in an off topic discussion.
However, linking them to either a poster on here you don't agree with or another public figure is inappropriate. Same as if you linked them to any other mass murderer.
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:29 pm  
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Problem with labour is they no longer are of or represent the people that they were supposed to represent.

You’ve only to look at the work history of the various leaders
Keir starmer - lawyer barrister mp
Jeremy Corbin , trade union rep , to councillor to mp
Harriet harman - legal officer , to mp
Ed Milliband journalist ? Party researcher for Blair then mp

Pretty much all from relatively priveledged back grounds

That stoped in the late seventies till then 70% of m p were working class witch ever party they were from
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Re: Good on ya Tom : Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:12 pm  
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That stoped in the late seventies till then 70% of m p were working class witch ever party they were from

Isn't that why they go into politics, to stop being working class.
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