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Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday : Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:42 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, there is no correlation between the perceived behavior of those "in charge" and the change in behavior of the masses.
It was all just one huge coincidence ?

As for people taking personal responsibility, of course they should. However, it would appear that huge numbers just aren't capable of doing so.

You kind of argue against yourself there.
It's either your responsibility or you are ok to follow politicians actions blindly.

None of the examples thrown around in the press compare to hundreds of people packing out a pub garden or a beauty spot where there is no social distancing. And to be honest, although the vast majority have followed the rules perfectly well, the minority that mess it up were messing it up before any erroneous actions by politicians.

Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday : Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:27 am  

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You kind of argue against yourself there.
It's either your responsibility or you are ok to follow politicians actions blindly.

None of the examples thrown around in the press compare to hundreds of people packing out a pub garden or a beauty spot where there is no social distancing. And to be honest, although the vast majority have followed the rules perfectly well, the minority that mess it up were messing it up before any erroneous actions by politicians.

I agree with Willzy that "the wheels came off" when Cummings went on his infamous "eye test drive" to Bambugh Castle.
Shortly after this, Johnson& Co were massively encouraging people to get out to the pubs and seemed surprised that people were less socially distant when they'd had a few, which was crazy.

People should take personal responsibility but, the mixed messaging and example set by high ranking Government officials, makes it extremely easy for people to justify "doing their own thing", rather than behaving "properly".

In hindsight, although it's not rocket science, the relaxation on travel should have been more gradual.

However, this became impossible when Cummings went of on his trip to the in laws farm and suddenly, everyone was "allowed" to go as far as they wished. Most of the restraint, that, in general terms, had been excellent, suddenly went out of the window.
So, yes, people should take personal responsibility but, it should be EVERYONE, especially those who dictate the rules.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:47 am  

We now have the situation where office workers are being used as COVID laboratory mice sacrificed at the altar of the economy. The instruction now is for firms to order workers to return to work so that they can once again roam town centres buying. What has changed since the stay at home because the testing is still somewhat shambolic and the track and trace is not fit for purpose.
I expect that most companies will continue to instruct their staff to work from home because it is safer and apparently more productive and it would be them who would be held responsible.

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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:42 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

We now have the situation where office workers are being used as COVID laboratory mice sacrificed at the altar of the economy. The instruction now is for firms to order workers to return to work so that they can once again roam town centres buying. What has changed since the stay at home because the testing is still somewhat shambolic and the track and trace is not fit for purpose.
I expect that most companies will continue to instruct their staff to work from home because it is safer and apparently more productive and it would be them who would be held responsible.

No they haven't.
They are encouraging people back to work if it is safe.
They've put pressure on companies to deep clean and if they do they can get people back in the office.
Its no good getting hairdressers back and shops opening if no one can go.

Furlough can't last forever so if they don't encourage people back to work in safe environments then we'll have millions out of work and businesses going bankrupt.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:56 pm  

Somebody actually thinks that 2 or 3 politicians behaving poorly during lock down are responsible for 10,000 people turning up at a beach in Bournemouth, 50 BLM loon statue busting "protests" and god knows how many house party's in Manchester, Birmingham and London ?

I mean...seriously, people should take responsibility for their own stupidity, not use political idiots to justify their stupidity, and definitely don't pick one in particular when there have been several just because it fits a political agenda.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:15 pm  

The one in question was the one who wrote the rules that’s the problem. I am afraid that after several weeks of following the restrictions to learn that the man who wrote it then broke it and to make matters worse didn’t care that he did. The final insult was to come up with the lamest excuse possible despite the time elapsed.
It was obvious that those looking for an excuse were given one because like many said if it’s good enough for him it is good enough for us and how do you argue against it whatever you may personally believe

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:18 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

Somebody actually thinks that 2 or 3 politicians behaving poorly during lock down are responsible for 10,000 people turning up at a beach in Bournemouth, 50 BLM loon statue busting "protests" and god knows how many house party's in Manchester, Birmingham and London ?

I mean...seriously, people should take responsibility for their own stupidity, not use political idiots to justify their stupidity, and definitely don't pick one in particular when there have been several just because it fits a political agenda.

Agreed.
I've been saying that for three months...
If the moaners on here want everyone to conform, then they should f**k off and go in live in Russia, China or North Korea.

Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday : Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:20 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I agree with Willzy that "the wheels came off" when Cummings went on his infamous "eye test drive" to Bambugh Castle.
Shortly after this, Johnson& Co were massively encouraging people to get out to the pubs and seemed surprised that people were less socially distant when they'd had a few, which was crazy.

People should take personal responsibility but, the mixed messaging and example set by high ranking Government officials, makes it extremely easy for people to justify "doing their own thing", rather than behaving "properly".

In hindsight, although it's not rocket science, the relaxation on travel should have been more gradual.

However, this became impossible when Cummings went of on his trip to the in laws farm and suddenly, everyone was "allowed" to go as far as they wished. Most of the restraint, that, in general terms, had been excellent, suddenly went out of the window.
So, yes, people should take personal responsibility but, it should be EVERYONE, especially those who dictate the rules.

Think you need an eye test yourself.....
"Seeing" as it was Barnard Castle.......

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Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday : Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:12 am  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Think you need an eye test yourself.....
"Seeing" as it was Barnard Castle.......

He went to Bamburgh as well!!!!
That's just taking the mick.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:09 pm  

Feels like this subject has been going on longer than the Virus has been around