Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:46 pm  

PopTart wrote:

But you are then causing a queue and keeping the trouble causer in the shop.
Better to get them out quickly.
Then sort them out.

I think the phrase is nipping it in the bud, it's far easier to refuse them entry and put the welfare of the customers first instead of profit, the people who are prepared to comply with the government's orders, and eliminate the possible problem of it spreading again, just out of interest how are you going to sort them out once they've got what they want.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:44 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

I really don't understand why Labour are calling on the government to support the people coming from Spain that have to self isolate - if their employers aren't cooperative.

If it's a decision between putting food on their table or losing their jobs and staying at home" people will work says @JonAshworth

He says it's why the UK isn't "getting on top of this virus" and "we need better support for people" so they can afford to isolate.

The advise was very clear when the airbridges started - they could be pulled very quickly:

Quote when airbridges were introduced:

But we will not hesitate to put on the brakes if any risks re-emerge, and this system will enable us to take swift action to reintroduce self-isolation measures if new outbreaks occur overseas.”

It’s not application of the so called brake but the time allowed before implementation. You can also add the confusion because the transport department includes all areas including the Balearic and Canary Islands but the foreign office still allows travel to the latter two areas. The government despite the short time scale hope that employers will understand but if they don’t those in Spain may face losing their jobs or having to lose two weeks pay due to no fault of their making.

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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:49 pm  

little wayne69 wrote:

I think the phrase is nipping it in the bud, it's far easier to refuse them entry and put the welfare of the customers first instead of profit, the people who are prepared to comply with the government's orders, and eliminate the possible problem of it spreading again, just out of interest how are you going to sort them out once they've got what they want.

I don't disagree. I was kinda trying to put their point.
I know the supermarkets have had to pay a lot for Security because staff are not in a position to handle idiots that go to the store.
I saw in the news today the some idiot was spitting at staff telling them he has the virus. I know someone in another supermarket where the manager had a stanley knife pulled on him for not letting them just walk in without queuing.
I'm assuming what Tesco and Asda are saying is they'd prefer police to handle stuff like that as they really have no authority to do anything except stopping them coming in which leads to a worse situation sometimes.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:45 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

It’s not application of the so called brake but the time allowed before implementation. You can also add the confusion because the transport department includes all areas including the Balearic and Canary Islands but the foreign office still allows travel to the latter two areas. The government despite the short time scale hope that employers will understand but if they don’t those in Spain may face losing their jobs or having to lose two weeks pay due to no fault of their making.

I can’t understand why anyone thinks that booking a holiday in Europe in August or any month this year will be all singing and dancing and back to normal, nobody loves their over seas sunshine holidays as much as I do, I cancelled my August holiday in Spain with the possibility of not being able to do what we normally do. No way was I wearing a mask for 4 hours on a plane and in a airport for god knows how long. I think a bit of common sense is needed here and to expect companies then to also pay you another 2 weeks pay to stop at home knowing that there is a chance of the isolation being imposed is pushing it.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:59 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't disagree. I was kinda trying to put their point.
I know the supermarkets have had to pay a lot for Security because staff are not in a position to handle idiots that go to the store.
I saw in the news today the some idiot was spitting at staff telling them he has the virus. I know someone in another supermarket where the manager had a stanley knife pulled on him for not letting them just walk in without queuing.
I'm assuming what Tesco and Asda are saying is they'd prefer police to handle stuff like that as they really have no authority to do anything except stopping them coming in which leads to a worse situation sometimes.

there's no difference in pubs where you can refuse to serve someone, on my training you are taught to deal with in a calm manner asking them to leave explaining that to ignore that request is against the law and can lead to prosecution, do security staff now allow for all shop lifters to walk out freely or has that now been added to the list that they would like the police to deal with

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:49 pm  

I visited a large furniture store outside Doncaster today and donned a mask prior to entering. after about 10 minutes I said to the salesman that I was just going to the entrance to get a bit of air. he asked if I had asthma. I replied that I hadn't, but I have been diagnosed with angina. He gave me his permission to remove the mask if I wished, which I did and obviously felt better for doing so.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:43 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

It’s not application of the so called brake but the time allowed before implementation. You can also add the confusion because the transport department includes all areas including the Balearic and Canary Islands but the foreign office still allows travel to the latter two areas. The government despite the short time scale hope that employers will understand but if they don’t those in Spain may face losing their jobs or having to lose two weeks pay due to no fault of their making.

No fault of their making ???
They weren't forced to go on holiday to Spain!!
They've taken these trips of their own free will,fully aware that things could change very quickly.

You really do make me laugh,the moaning on here about "not doing things quickly enough" - now the government do something quickly and its too quick for you!!!
How much notice should have been given ? 5 days ? 1 week ? 2 weeks ?

Yes the government would like employers to be cooperative,but its not the governments fault that people decided they wanted their two weeks in Benidorm come what may.
Maybe if some of these people had thought it through or discussed with their employer before jetting off - what the consequences would be if something changed and quarantine was re introduced,they wouldn't be whinging now.

Whether there is confusion over the Islands is irrelevant(and i do agree that was confusing),but that doesn't change the facts - people where aware the situation was fluid and could change very quickly.

The public has had options for months now of changing flights and holidays,Tui for example allowed anybody with departures up to 31st August to amend free of charge and that was back in May.

Sorry but these people have chosen to jet off in the middle of a pandemic, knowing full well it could backfire and now they want to blame somebody else for their own stupidity.

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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:28 pm  

snowie wrote:

there's no difference in pubs where you can refuse to serve someone, on my training you are taught to deal with in a calm manner asking them to leave explaining that to ignore that request is against the law and can lead to prosecution, do security staff now allow for all shop lifters to walk out freely or has that now been added to the list that they would like the police to deal with

Firstly there are no bouncers at Asda or Tesco.
Secondly it isn't against the law to ignore a request from store staff
Third security staff can't really detain you in a supermarket. At best they keep the goods you were trying to steal and possibly report you to the police if they got you on cctv.

But most of all, the staff are just not capable or paid enough to police a store.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:43 pm  

Big lads mate wrote:

I can’t understand why anyone thinks that booking a holiday in Europe in August or any month this year will be all singing and dancing and back to normal, nobody loves their over seas sunshine holidays as much as I do, I cancelled my August holiday in Spain with the possibility of not being able to do what we normally do. No way was I wearing a mask for 4 hours on a plane and in a airport for god knows how long. I think a bit of common sense is needed here and to expect companies then to also pay you another 2 weeks pay to stop at home knowing that there is a chance of the isolation being imposed is pushing it.

The thought of flying abroad for a fortnight, in the middle of a pandemic, is just madness. We've even cancelled an upcoming three nights away in the Lake District.

Governments the world over are desperate to get back to 'the good old days'. I pretty much wrote 2020 off back in April.

Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:48 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Firstly there are no bouncers at Asda or Tesco.
Secondly it isn't against the law to ignore a request from store staff
Third security staff can't really detain you in a supermarket. At best they keep the goods you were trying to steal and possibly report you to the police if they got you on cctv.

But most of all, the staff are just not capable or paid enough to police a store.

Sorry but security staff can arrest a person for stealing just like any citizen if a crime or attempted crime has been commited. The police have wider powers around suspicion that members of the public do not have hth.