Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:51 am  

asmadasa wrote:

did we prepare this team right?

If this is the question, the answer is Agar is not up to the job.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:21 am  

I would have Glenn Morrison tomorrow! If there was a choice

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:26 am  

newgroundb4cas wrote:

I would have Glenn Morrison tomorrow! If there was a choice

Morrison still cutting his teeth in the coaching world.
Don't think coming to Wake at he moment will do him any favours.

[PopTart]

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:50 am  

The thing that bothers me with threads like this is that they are so reactive.

I have no out and out love for Agar. If we get someone else I'm ok with that.
BUT we can't just keep asking for their head every time we play badly.
It isn't so black and white.

The very fact that the opening poster has only been posting Agar out threads since the start of the season, but has been completely quiet when we won a couple shows that some have a blind spot against Agar, as much as those that like him have a blind spot the other way.

I'm still of the mind that I want Agar to keep going and see what he can do.
We have a tough period of fixtures coming up so unfortunately we need to be ready for more losses. We need to improve but I won't want to just sack Agar if we don't beat Leeds twice.....I might if he just keeps randomly changing the team!

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:01 pm  

Plus as has been mentioned on several occasions, he is sitting on the best part of a 3 year contract!

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:35 pm  

PopTart wrote:

The thing that bothers me with threads like this is that they are so reactive.

I have no out and out love for Agar. If we get someone else I'm ok with that.
BUT we can't just keep asking for their head every time we play badly.
It isn't so black and white.

The very fact that the opening poster has only been posting Agar out threads since the start of the season, but has been completely quiet when we won a couple shows that some have a blind spot against Agar, as much as those that like him have a blind spot the other way.

I'm still of the mind that I want Agar to keep going and see what he can do.
We have a tough period of fixtures coming up so unfortunately we need to be ready for more losses. We need to improve but I won't want to just sack Agar if we don't beat Leeds twice.....I might if he just keeps randomly changing the team!

There were plenty if proactive ‘Agar out’ threads before he came to the club. Sadly they were ignored and Elston hired his mate regardless. I will not want to see a change based on the losses to Leeds, Huddersfield or Cas, it is more to do with the poor performances and results (bar the odd run here and there) over the last two and a bit seasons, the shoddy treatment of the club trained players (and other players whose face did not fit) and the failure to learn from the numerous mistakes he makes in team selection and tactics.

Having said that he is more bullet proof now more than ever so we won’t see a change unless Trinity are relegated and he leaves of his own accord.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:02 pm  

Fordy wrote:

The same position points wise - we won 2 from our first 7 in 2012.
Round 1 - Widnes (A) - Won 32-14
Round 2 - Hull KR (H) - Lost 22-10
Round 3 - Leeds (H) - Called Off
Round 4 - Bradford (H) - Lost 36-18
Round 5 - Hull FC (A) - Lost 14-10
Round 6 - Huddersfield (H) - Lost 32-14
Round 7 - Warrington (A) - Lost 32-30
Round 8 - Catalans (H) - Won 32-22

I would expect the performances to improve as we get further into the season and the team has more time to gel, however we looked like we were starting to see that with 2 good wins (admittedly against poor opposition) followed up by a good performance against the league leaders where the ref had a huge say in the result.

To go from that to this abject display is shockingly disappointing and with Leeds, Cas and Huddersfield our next 3 games (not counting a Cup game against Leeds too) we would need to see a huge reaction from yesterdays defeat to not be 2 from 10 and our season in tatters and with relegation looming.

They won't "gel" if he keeps shuffling the cards, its one out one in and let the rest "gel"

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:02 pm  

Don't like to mention the R word but don't think this would save us, as what other club would have him?
Also can't see him walking away from a contract unless it's written into it, if the worse should happen.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:14 pm  

El Rey wrote:

They won't "gel" if he keeps shuffling the cards, its one out one in and let the rest "gel"

Can't disagree with that. Unless we had major injuries yesterday that we don't know about then it was one of the most bizarre coaching decisions ever made.

I think if I look at his reign you would say our best results/runs come when we have limited options and it means he can't shuffle things too much.

I am mightily impressed with the strength and depth of squad we have managed to assemble given where we were, but it seems that may have created problems in itself, as Agar doesn't know best how to manage the squad, or who should be in his first choice team.



It's a shame the fans forum was last week and not this as we might have got some more interesting questions asked.

Re: Agar Out Part 3 : Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:29 pm  

I think most fans would be happy with Mr Agar if we were in with a chance of winning games to the last most weeks instead of now and again. The facts are we nearly beat Sts last week and look a decent side then walloped by 44 at Hull KR the week after when looking in good form. Win loss loss loss win loss loss win win loss loss etc etc. The only consistency is inconsistency apart from the tail end of his first season in charge. The natives are getting restless and if this continues then people are gonna get even more fed up and stop coming. Even me, a die hard supporter for 40 years plus my dad and boy are getting sick of it week after week, same old excuses, same old tries conceded, same old hope one week and down to earth the next, it drives you up the blinking wall! I don't buy into this let's give him time and see what he can do nonsense either, this is his third season... how long has Powell been at Cas? Moulded a side and they're getting CONSISTENT results. It may not last but I'll put my house on a top 8 finish for them and a bottom 3 for us, that's what a good coach can do, and I don't believe that is what we have.