Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:46 am  

Make LESS announcements?

is that even possible

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:51 am  

Thanks Fordy.

My email to them was quite lengthy with loads of quotes from Council press releases etc so i wont bother posting that but i raised some key questions which are included in their response below:

"Thank you for your recent communication regarding a community stadium. As the Service Director with responsibility for Sport I am responding on behalf of Members that you have also emailed.

In relation to your questions I can confirm that

1.How is the Council ensuring this project progresses as quickly as you have stated in your press releases?
Officers of the Council have undertaken some initial work on the potential requirements to enable delivery of a community stadium, including specifications and footprint required, high level assessment of capital and operating costs, independent valuation of land holdings at Belle Vue and consideration of potential funding opportunities this includes funding from Newmarket Development. Further work is ongoing on detailed viability analysis including economic viability and outline business plan and undertaking sequential assessment on the site options to aid the Trust in its decision making. Given the ongoing and potential involvement of the Council in this project, it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium. I am sure that you will appreciate that a new community stadium that will be managed and operated by a Trust which will be home to anchor tenants has to be sustainable as a community stadium and run in accordance with the Charity’s Commission requirements.
2. Have Wakefield Council been in contact with Michael Carter in relation to the project since last year?
The Council has been in dialogue with Wakefield and District Community Trust of which Michael Carter is a Trustee in addition to this there has been electronic communication with the owner of Wakefield Trinity.
3. Given the obvious and publicly stated support of the proposals, what are Wakefield Council doing to push 88m and the project forward? The Council has been in dialogue with relevant land/property owners to explore options to purchase/lease of land/buildings capable of hosting the community stadium and on what terms and conditions this could be facilitated."

To me this reads as generic rubbish and next to nothing has been done since the proposals were made public in August last year. I wonder how much work was undertaken before the plans were released if they are still working on footprints and funding. I find it unbelievable/confusing that they state they haven't even got an agreement over the land with 88m yet.

I replied to this email last week and still await a response.

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:59 am  

, it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium.
I hope you asked why they deemed it necessary to do this, when MANY years ago they THEMSELVES set up a trust to deliver a new community stadium..
What a bunch of........

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:39 pm  

Droopy wrote:

Thanks Fordy.

My email to them was quite lengthy with loads of quotes from Council press releases etc so i wont bother posting that but i raised some key questions which are included in their response below:

"Thank you for your recent communication regarding a community stadium. As the Service Director with responsibility for Sport I am responding on behalf of Members that you have also emailed.

In relation to your questions I can confirm that

1.How is the Council ensuring this project progresses as quickly as you have stated in your press releases?
Officers of the Council have undertaken some initial work on the potential requirements to enable delivery of a community stadium, including specifications and footprint required, high level assessment of capital and operating costs, independent valuation of land holdings at Belle Vue and consideration of potential funding opportunities this includes funding from Newmarket Development. Further work is ongoing on detailed viability analysis including economic viability and outline business plan and undertaking sequential assessment on the site options to aid the Trust in its decision making. Given the ongoing and potential involvement of the Council in this project, it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium. I am sure that you will appreciate that a new community stadium that will be managed and operated by a Trust which will be home to anchor tenants has to be sustainable as a community stadium and run in accordance with the Charity’s Commission requirements.
2. Have Wakefield Council been in contact with Michael Carter in relation to the project since last year?
The Council has been in dialogue with Wakefield and District Community Trust of which Michael Carter is a Trustee in addition to this there has been electronic communication with the owner of Wakefield Trinity.
3. Given the obvious and publicly stated support of the proposals, what are Wakefield Council doing to push 88m and the project forward? The Council has been in dialogue with relevant land/property owners to explore options to purchase/lease of land/buildings capable of hosting the community stadium and on what terms and conditions this could be facilitated."

To me this reads as generic rubbish and next to nothing has been done since the proposals were made public in August last year. I wonder how much work was undertaken before the plans were released if they are still working on footprints and funding. I find it unbelievable/confusing that they state they haven't even got an agreement over the land with 88m yet.

I replied to this email last week and still await a response.

I've sent numerous emails to my local councillors and WMDC and they have always shown me the discourtesy of NEVER replying. Response you received sounds like a lot of waffle as you would expect from our disinterested council.

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:53 pm  

"it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium. I am sure that you will appreciate that a new community stadium that will be managed and operated by a Trust which will be home to anchor tenants has to be sustainable as a community stadium"

That's the key to it all, I guess. They will work with Rodney's new Trust only, not yet established, and will charge full market rent, as determined by Rodney's Trust. Easy to set out terms that they know one party won't agree to, thus enabling them to blame that party. Now, remind me, how's that green belt land at Newmarket looking these days?

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:21 pm  

According to the Planning Portal the Determination Deadline for Application 17/03102/REM is Fri 02 March 2018, however as yet no decision has been made.
Is this WMDC once again employing delaying tactics by deliberately ignoring deadlines, or is there something else going on?

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:23 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

Now, remind me, how's that green belt land at Newmarket looking these days?

Devoid of the community stadium promised at the public inquiry!

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:30 pm  

Is it cryptic for "Actions Speak Louder Than Words"

Not that we know what the actions are!

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:41 pm  

It's all just background noise now - the various parties are on manoeuvres ensuring that, as Slugger says, they can make an offer that has all the appropriate optics from a PR perspective, but is untenable for the club; the club duly refuses, they throw their hands in the air and say, "We tried our best!" then 88M has free rein to do something much more profitable at BV, YCP can continue to develop NM without the annoyance of WT getting in the way, and WMDC can demonstrate that they weren't the villains.

Quite what SRW stands to gain from all this I'm not sure, but it seems clear that his replacement Trust is complicit, so there'll be something in the background to have greased that particular wheel.

The upshot - no stadium.

Re: new staduim : Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:51 pm  

bren2k wrote:

It's all just background noise now - the various parties are on manoeuvres ensuring that, as Slugger says, they can make an offer that has all the appropriate optics from a PR perspective, but is untenable for the club; the club duly refuses, they throw their hands in the air and say, "We tried our best!" then 88M has free rein to do something much more profitable at BV, YCP can continue to develop NM without the annoyance of WT getting in the way, and WMDC can demonstrate that they weren't the villains.

Quite what SRW stands to gain from all this I'm not sure, but it seems clear that his replacement Trust is complicit, so there'll be something in the background to have greased that particular wheel.

The upshot - no stadium.

Spot on Bren.