Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:34 pm  

Wildmoggy wrote:

Yeah true, I didn't start until about '84 ish, so only have what my dad told me, and obviously old games watched. I suppose it's a massive cliché, but it is a completely different game nowadays.....?

Its a moot point with me when it comes to legends and who's best etc- At the end of the day to be a true legend at any club a player needs to have picked up a trophy and none have since 1968. I don't want to de-value the YC but its not really there for me. It's heartbreaking for some players because they really should be legends and picked up medals but thats the game. Toppo is the toughest one but I'll sneak him in because he won the Lance Todd and then won it all with Hull but the rest are sadly close but no cigar - its a very Australian attitude but it seems to work well.

Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:38 pm  

vastman wrote:

Whose above, if its Hurrall I give up.

The noble beeb seem to have a bit of trouble in identifying Mr Hurrell! This from this weekends reporting.

"Leeds centre Konrad Hurrell was one of the few highlights as she scored four tries and running 235 metres, "

Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:46 pm  

vastman wrote:

Its a moot point with me when it comes to legends and who's best etc- At the end of the day to be a true legend at any club a player needs to have picked up a trophy and none have since 1968. I don't want to de-value the YC but its not really there for me. It's heartbreaking for some players because they really should be legends and picked up medals but thats the game. Toppo is the toughest one but I'll sneak him in because he won the Lance Todd and then won it all with Hull but the rest are sadly close but no cigar - its a very Australian attitude but it seems to work well.

Well you could argue about the true 'legends' that made up that '60's team? Neil, Poynton, Coetzer? Were the props the best props in the league at that time? I really don't know, having not watched them week in week out in the flesh, 'cause I wasn't born! I have only seen the Wembley cup finals.

Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:51 pm  

Although, along with Big Jim Mills, John Burke and he were the regarded as the "Bad Boys" of the game at the time, but my lasting memory of Burkey is him being carried off the Headingly pitch shoulder high by his team mates after the 1979 semi-final at Headingley. What a game he had that day. A truly great prop. Not a great prop in the Fifita style, but a local lad who played too few games for Trinity and far too many for Leeds.

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Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:37 pm  

vastman wrote:

Its a moot point with me when it comes to legends and who's best etc- At the end of the day to be a true legend at any club a player needs to have picked up a trophy and none have since 1968. I don't want to de-value the YC but its not really there for me. It's heartbreaking for some players because they really should be legends and picked up medals but thats the game. Toppo is the toughest one but I'll sneak him in because he won the Lance Todd and then won it all with Hull but the rest are sadly close but no cigar - its a very Australian attitude but it seems to work well.

I agree that you can't really compare eras but I don't agree that winning a trophy in a team sport is the measure of an individual.

Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:17 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I agree that you can't really compare eras but I don't agree that winning a trophy in a team sport is the measure of an individual.

No it not the measure but it is imo the key to being a legend. When sport is played for fun it’s not the winning but the taking part that counts, no argument from me. Pro RL or any pro sport is not played for fun, it may be fun playing it and it’s certainly more fun than emptying bins or at least it should be but they are not the same thing.

There is only one logic in pro sport and that is success - anything less is not necessarily failure but it is not success, at this level it simply can’t be considered as such - harsh? Yes but that’s how it works.

Hence a legend in the pro game has to also be a winner which means being in a winning team and we haven’t had one of those for fifty years. My opinion.

Re: Fifita : Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:33 pm  

vastman wrote:

Reasonable.

Liam Watts was above him until this week. and will be above him at the end of the season barring injury.
Much better all round prop in my opinion but I do like big Dave as well.

Re: Fifita : Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:52 am  

Wildmoggy wrote:

Well you could argue about the true 'legends' that made up that '60's team? Neil, Poynton, Coetzer? Were the props the best props in the league at that time? I really don't know, having not watched them week in week out in the flesh, 'cause I wasn't born! I have only seen the Wembley cup finals.

I was around in the 60's and there were some great props playing for Gt Britain/England including Brian McTigue, Cliff Watson, Brian Edgar, Bill Holliday and Jack Wilkinson who I saw play in your 1960 CC win at Wembley. Think Jack was the only Trinity prop that played international football in that era.

I would rank him as the best prop I have seen play for you.

Re: Fifita : Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:59 am  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Liam Watts was above him until this week. and will be above him at the end of the season barring injury.
Much better all round prop in my opinion but I do like big Dave as well.

He won’t and he isn’t sorry but Dave has far more in his locker. That said I’d take Watts any day of the year, now that would be a front row.

Re: Fifita : Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:25 am  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Liam Watts was above him until this week. and will be above him at the end of the season barring injury.
Much better all round prop in my opinion but I do like big Dave as well.

Thing with Watts is that you're always waiting for the next brain fart, like the stupid block that cost you victory over Leeds. Get that under control and he's nearly as good as the Big Bopper.