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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:47 pm  
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Apologies for trying to add some balance to the negative clique that now control this forum. I'll move on again, as has Michael Carter already, I believe.


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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:53 pm  
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Cas have finished bottom two last two years in academy


That’s a different issue. Not every batch works that is the nature of youth RL. They pay more money than we do. It’s not as though I’m not echoing what the club often states.

Academy RL is not about league position and never has been, it’s about spotting individuals. We won the Academy about 12 years ago and they were a really good team but none really made it. People will argue as to who’s fault it was but truth is quality will nearly always get through.

On the other hand Johnstone, Crowther, Jowitt and Batchelor all came through via some very unremarkable youth teams.

Fact is Cas, Leeds and you lot snap up what appear to be the best 15+ year olds at the time and we don’t. Luckily though that’s no guarantee of success. What remains true though is that those young men are physically ahead and that issue generally doesn’t resolve itself until most players are 21+. Hence why I think our juniors are generally not ready for first team as quick as those from some other clubs.

It’s just an opinion I can’t back it up with data I just suspect I’m right.
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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:13 pm  
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That’s a different issue. Not every batch works that is the nature of youth RL. They pay more money than we do. It’s not as though I’m not echoing what the club often states.

Academy RL is not about league position and never has been, it’s about spotting individuals. We won the Academy about 12 years ago and they were a really good team but none really made it. People will argue as to who’s fault it was but truth is quality will nearly always get through.

On the other hand Johnstone, Crowther, Jowitt and Batchelor all came through via some very unremarkable youth teams.

Fact is Cas, Leeds and you lot snap up what appear to be the best 15+ year olds at the time and we don’t. Luckily though that’s no guarantee of success. What remains true though is that those young men are physically ahead and that issue generally doesn’t resolve itself until most players are 21+. Hence why I think our juniors are generally not ready for first team as quick as those from some other clubs.

It’s just an opinion I can’t back it up with data I just suspect I’m right.

99% of the best 15 year olds in the region are monitored by us and are approached by us when the scholarship time arrives but they are obviously also monitored by other clubs even ones on the dark side of the Pennines. We do our utmost to get the best we can but most choose the glamorous clubs and often are got by shall I say,not following recruiting procedures which we cannot match . The good lads we do get have over the past few years have been cracking players. This pandemic as knocked clubs back massively especially this years recruitment and the scholarship and reserve grades not being played so youth coaches need big wraps to get it back on track in the future.
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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:45 pm  
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99% of the best 15 year olds in the region are monitored by us and are approached by us when the scholarship time arrives but they are obviously also monitored by other clubs even ones on the dark side of the Pennines. We do our utmost to get the best we can but most choose the glamorous clubs and often are got by shall I say,not following recruiting procedures which we cannot match . The good lads we do get have over the past few years have been cracking players. This pandemic as knocked clubs back massively especially this years recruitment and the scholarship and reserve grades not being played so youth coaches need big wraps to get it back on track in the future.

Apart from Milner and Clarke who was last one to come through at cas and be a regular? You can’t say true man as they took him from bulls
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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:37 pm  
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Apart from Milner and Clarke who was last one to come through at cas and be a regular? You can’t say true man as they took him from bulls


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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:43 pm  
Same intake they are all 27/28 who else ?
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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:07 pm  
So those 3 10 yrs out of the academy since then who?
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Re: Innes Senior : Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:32 pm  
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So those 3 10 yrs out of the academy since then who?


You don’t seem to get it do you. The issue is not how many make it but how soon they get a chance.

Sometimes you get a glut then you get none for ages.

We’ve had a good run in the last few years but we may not get any for a while. How well our academy does in the league will probably have no correlation to how many make it.

What will remain pretty constant is that physically our youngsters will be a year or so behind the average. Obviously there will be exceptions but generally that will be us.
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Re: Innes Senior : Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:52 am  
Excellent move for Innes and the Giants, i really hope Chester plays him rather than just making up squad numbers as he needs some game time and looking at your squad there doesn't seem to be much competition for him, he's behind McGillvary, Mcintosh and his brother at the moment for a wing spot so we need him ready should we need him.

As for someone (Poptart?) saying "Throwing them in the deep end is a sure fire way if killing your kids.
You develop them and bring them in when they are ready."

I disagree, Huddersfield have Louis (and Innes to a point) Senior, Jake Wardle, Darnell McIntosh, Ollie Russell, Sam Hewitt, Oliver Wilson, Matty English, Jon Luke Kirby and Sam Wood who are all now regular starters or 21-man squad members not forgetting Jermaine McGillvary and Michael Lawrence many years ago who were all 'thrown in at the deep end' at the time and they aren't doing too badly for the experience.
In fact 9 of our match day 17 last week were all 'thrown in at the deep end' and ran Warrington's mega bucks stars all the way.

Either Wakefield choose not to play their youngsters or they thiink they aren't good enough, you'll never know till they are thrown in.
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Re: Innes Senior : Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:20 am  
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Excellent move for Innes and the Giants, i really hope Chester plays him rather than just making up squad numbers as he needs some game time and looking at your squad there doesn't seem to be much competition for him, he's behind McGillvary, Mcintosh and his brother at the moment for a wing spot so we need him ready should we need him.

As for someone (Poptart?) saying "Throwing them in the deep end is a sure fire way if killing your kids.
You develop them and bring them in when they are ready."

I disagree, Huddersfield have Louis (and Innes to a point) Senior, Jake Wardle, Darnell McIntosh, Ollie Russell, Sam Hewitt, Oliver Wilson, Matty English, Jon Luke Kirby and Sam Wood who are all now regular starters or 21-man squad members not forgetting Jermaine McGillvary and Michael Lawrence many years ago who were all 'thrown in at the deep end' at the time and they aren't doing too badly for the experience.
In fact 9 of our match day 17 last week were all 'thrown in at the deep end' and ran Warrington's mega bucks stars all the way.

Either Wakefield choose not to play their youngsters or they thiink they aren't good enough, you'll never know till they are thrown in.

I think it’s great that clubs produce their own players and bring them through, I think it’s what the game needs. We simply waste too much money on overseas players who mostly are no better than we’ve got over here and waste it on old players coming to the end. Your youngsters are very promising. Do you think the coaching at your club can take them to the next level and take your club to the next level and Do you think any could maybe push on to be top class players. This is a major problem in our game they seem to come through then never improve.
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