Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:32 pm  

I’ll even post the 12 losses to help you out...

Last season...

Warrington (a)
Wigan (h)
Hull (h)
St Helens (a)
Wigan (a)
Cas (h)
Catalans (a)

This season...

Hull KR (a)
Cas (a)
Hull (h)
Wigan (n)
Catalans (n)

Which of those should we have won in your eyes? Maybe a couple?

On the flip side our 5 wins were...

Last season...

London (h)
Hull KR (a)
Huddersfield (h)

This season...

Salford (a)
Warrington (h)

Maybe a couple unexpected there to balance it a bit?

Notice I’ve only included the last 10 games of last season because the period before that we were absolutely crippled with injuries, I also aren’t counting the first 10 games when we had a fully fit squad and won 6 of those and lost by a single score to both Saints and Warrington to be sat 4th after 10 rounds before the injuries struck.

Another thing to note is we were playing some great stuff scoring 30 points or more on 5 occasions...in big wins at both Hull and Leeds and in wins over eventual grand finalists Salford and previous grand final winners Wigan...and guess what...the most astonishing thing about that is we haven’t done owt since Kear left!

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:14 pm  

Dear oh dear seems to me some of the Chester bashers must never have played the game or even trained for it. The Catalans pack is probably one of the top two packs in super league and not many teams will handle them plus they have very classy players all over the park and could probably coach themselves. If i had a choice between Chester and Macnamara I would take Chester every time. As for Powell I thought we were better against Catalans yesterday than Castleford were 2 weeks ago by a long way.The players we had available yesterday gave it their best shot but 2 or 3 silly mistakes and a couple of dubious calls from monsieur Kendall led to us coming up a bit short. Keep the faith.

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:16 pm  

RealSteel89 wrote:

I think what you saw from Pitts was born out of frustration that his fellow forwards had allowed Mcllorum amongst others cheap shot our players throughout the 2 games and nobody stood up to him. In my opinion the blame lies with the pack for not standing up for themselves last weekend. An example of this is Mcllorum twisting Fifita's ankle to try an aggrevate his injury on at least 2 occasions. Dave shouldnt be allowing that to happen and should be getting stuck into him for it. Or playing clever and highlighting it to the officals by staying down.

I think Pitts showed something which ive wanted to see since the back end of last year. Some desire and fight, i wish all the forwards showed the same. He'd be my captain from this point forward to be honest.

I spoke to Jordan about the Pitts incident when he got home due to the fact he was in the middle of it and as big as he is he’s still my lad and I want to protect him but he said he heard Jay mentioned and went in to help him, I wish that he could have landed one on the grub. In all the time I’ve watched him play since 6 years old it’s the first time I’ve witnessed him do it, not the gentleman thing to do but chuffed that he did I know I would have done it.

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:18 pm  

Teltry wrote:

Dear oh dear seems to me some of the Chester bashers must never have played the game or even trained for it. The Catalans pack is probably one of the top two packs in super league and not many teams will handle them plus they have very classy players all over the park and could probably coach themselves. If i had a choice between Chester and Macnamara I would take Chester every time. As for Powell I thought we were better against Catalans yesterday than Castleford were 2 weeks ago by a long way.The players we had available yesterday gave it their best shot but 2 or 3 silly mistakes and a couple of dubious calls from monsieur Kendall led to us coming up a bit short. Keep the faith.

Spot on Teltry, some sense at last

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:35 pm  

upthecats wrote:

Genuine question...

Take the last 10 super league games of last season and the first 7 of this...

5 wins from those 17...which of the 12 we lost should we have won, in your opinion?

Don't quite see what you're getting at but certainly the "golden point" Hull game, the Leeds (home) and Hull KR (home) games last season plus all the London Bronco debacles.

With the squad that we have I would have thought that at least a 60% success rate.

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:54 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Don't quite see what you're getting at but certainly the "golden point" Hull game, the Leeds (home) and Hull KR (home) games last season plus all the London Bronco debacles.

With the squad that we have I would have thought that at least a 60% success rate.

Yes, the two London defeats were huge disappointments but to be fair after the first one we won 6 of our next 9...including games we weren’t ‘expected’ to win.’

Both Leeds at home and Hull KR at home were very similar games, low scoring in atrocious conditions and were won by fine margins...Hull KR nicking it late on after we had a perfectly good Johnstone try disallowed earlier on and if I remember right against Leeds in a very tight game Tanginoa broke and all he needed to do was find Hampshire with a simple pass to go in front but had it intercepted and that was the difference...to counteract those two though we won 35-18 at Headingley during our good start and 38-10 away to Hull KR when really needed at the back end.

What I’m trying to say is break it all down and take injuries into consideration and the returns are nowhere near as bad as everyone is making out...in my opinion of course...

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:05 pm  

The basic fact is he is going nowhere so we now have to hope that we can produce something like a performance against Warrington. I have not seen anything to say we will, so what I expect is, players being used out of position, for us to be outflanked, have no second phase, use the drop off on every play, lack a game plan and basically continue to be the least exciting team. We can then expect Chester to see some improvements and take the positives into the Leeds game.
If any of you could explain what Batchelor has done not to be selected, he was an England Knight player because currently Westerman is not fit.

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:47 pm  

If you look how fit Paul now looks at Salford ,slimed down .you can see how bad the Wakey conditioner is

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:00 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The basic fact is he is going nowhere so we now have to hope that we can produce something like a performance against Warrington. I have not seen anything to say we will, so what I expect is, players being used out of position, for us to be outflanked, have no second phase, use the drop off on every play, lack a game plan and basically continue to be the least exciting team. We can then expect Chester to see some improvements and take the positives into the Leeds game.
If any of you could explain what Batchelor has done not to be selected, he was an England Knight player because currently Westerman is not fit.

Regards to Batchelor, I can’t remember him being picked after he got sin binned in second half against Cas.

Re: Chester must go now : Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:18 pm  

No why pick Batchelor when you can play Kirmond who with respect his body now shows the ravages of a long SL career. It is a waste of a younger player when let’s face it our performances have not exactly been stellar.
I have said Chester should go because I worry his selections are now based on favouritism rather than performance, but I also know this is not going to happen. If we carry on the way we are good luck attracting supporters because with the performances being televised our true skills are on display for all to see.